Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

Hi :)
MS uses the older ODF standard, the 1.1/1.0 rather than the 1.2 (Extended) that 
is default in LibreOffice.  You can change the default in LibreOffice 

Tools - Options - +Load/SAve - 
Change the middle drop-down, roll it back up it's list by 2 places to the 
1.1/1.0 option.
Then MS Office 2010 and 2007 should have no trouble reading the Odts produced in 
LibreOffice.  Of course older versions of MS Office can't read ODF at all unless 
you risk using some weird patch.
Regards from
Tom :)




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From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 7:58:09
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

If I wanted to make a text box, going to the drawing tool is not intuitive to 
me.

But I did that one too, just to see what the differences are.

- Dennis

SUMMARY

It appears that it is LibreOffice that is losing the text when reading the DOCX 
text box.

When the same .docx is read back into LibreOffice, it has no text at all and 
even the border I added is gone.

Microsoft Office Word 2010 sees the border but not the content.  If I put 
content in on the Word 2010 side, it comes back to LO in an ODT and a DOC, but 
LO doesn't see the text in the DOCX (though it now sees the frame.)

The only odd thing about bringing the adjusted DOCX (adding the text back in) as 
an ODT from Word 2010 is that a stray empty graphic box shows up on the ODT 
page.  But the text box and its text are there too.  This is true when the 
exported ODT is read back into Word 2010 and when it is read into LibreOffice 
3.3.2.

CONCLUSION

I stand by my original analysis.  None of them have anything to be proud of, but 
the round tripping of DOCX from LibreOffice is far worse than the ODT 
round-tripped from Word 2010, although the added graphic frame is certainly 
undesirable.

The side-by-side and interchange case analysis to raise the level of 
interoperability is still required.

DETAILS

I made a text box using View | Toolbars | Drawing.  I selected "T" and drew a 
box with the modified cursor and added text to it.  Then I positioned the box 
where I wanted and use the Line dialog to put a border around the box.

I save this as an .odt file from LibreOffice 3.3.2.  It re-opens correctly.

With the ODT open in LibreOffice 3.3.2, I saved the file as a Microsoft Word 
2007 .docx.

When I reopened the file in LibreOffice 3.3.2, the page is blank.  There is 
nothing in it.

When I open the file in Microsoft Office 2010, I get the frame and the border 
and no text.

So, with the visible frame selected in Office 2010, I right click and select the 
"Add Text" option in the context menu.

I then save that as a .docx, as a .doc, and as an .odt.  Word 2010 opens the 
saved .doc and  .docx with the added-in perfectly.  It opens the .odt perfectly 
except there is a stray empty text frame in the upper left corner of the 
document.  The centered frame with text is as I saved it.  I have no idea how 
the stray graphic frame came along for the ride.

Now, using LibreOffice 3.3.2 and the three versions made from Microsoft Word 
2010, here is the result:

The docx comes into LibreOffice with the border and text frame showing, but the 
text frame is empty.  (This is better than it does with the docx it created 
itself, where everything is lost.)

The .doc comes back perfectly as saved from Microsoft Office Word 2010.

The .odt text box comes back just fine too, and the stray box is in the upper 
left corner that showed up on round-trip back into Word 2010 is also there in LO 
3.3.2. 





-----Original Message-----
From: NoOp [mailto:glgxg@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 19:34
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

On 08/12/2011 07:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> -----Original Message----- From: NoOp [mailto:<snipped>] 
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 17:23 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre
> Office
>
> [ ... ]
>
> Open LO. Make a simple text box with some text in it. Save as an
> .docx & let us know how that works out for you.

> I'm not so sure the bug report being discussed is anything so simple,
> but I took on your little experiment.
>
>
> CONCLUSION
>
> It would seem, in this simple case, that no one has much to be proud
> of concerning interop between the different native formats.  It is
> odd that the worst case here is the DOCX output from LibreOffice read
> back into LibreOffice.  But Word 2010 doesn't round-trip to and from
> ODT a lot better (although it is a lot easier to adjust manually if
> desired).
>
> To get this right, there needs to be a more-systematic effort that
> determines what discretionary provisions are being handled
> differently and what other features at the format level would be more
> successful.
>
>
> DETAILS
>
> I started in LO 3.3.2 Writer by inserting a frame around a paragraph
> of text, then saving it as a Microsoft Office Word 2007 DOCX format.

"Text Box":
View|Toolbars|Drawing
Click on the 'T'|write something|exit the textbox
etc.


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