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On 05/28/2011 10:21 AM, Twayne wrote:
In news:308716.4509.qm@web24103.mail.ird.yahoo.com,
Tom Davies<tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>  typed:
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From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
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To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 26 May, 2011 2:15:32
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?

On 05/25/2011 08:30 PM, NoOp wrote:
On 05/25/2011 03:21 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case
approximately 6-7 releases a year.
...

No. It means the "final" releases are (I suspect) in
sync with Ubuntu releases:

<quote>
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the
wider Free Software ecosystem also has huge advantages,
by getting our new features, out to users as quickly as
possible - with a minimum of distribution cycle lag. In
consequence, we will aim at six monthly releases, and
over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms.</quote>

Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to
Ubuntu/<possibly other distro>   release schedules. Let's
see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence the LO March
time) and October (hence the LO September time)...

This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 "release" in
sync with Ubuntu Natty 11.04 with considerable
breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell me that I'm
wrong.
well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st.  We are
on RC2 right now.

3.3.0 was LO's first release version and it came out
before OOo did and was better, plus a lot of legacy
coding was fixed.  Every release has some of that old,
unused, bad, or clunky coding repaired, replaced, etc.,
so future edits would not be dependent on the old legacy
stuff not messing up the new stuff. Sun and Oracle both
had that problem.  LO's developers do not have the
problem of "wasting" man-hours on fixing code that was
not done properly in the first place.  Our developers
both started cleaning up the legacy coding and put out a
better product than Oracle did, plus beat them to the
release date.  This is not our statements, but tech
publication reviews and articles stating this.

As for trying to have our releases timed with repository
upgrading?  Well it may be something for the scheduling
people to use for getting dates.  It does take time to
get the release packages listed on the LibreOffice
download sites to be "converted" for repository
updating/upgrading cycles.  I do not know how much time
it would take, but 3.3.0 came out in the beginning of the
year, and then a few months later Ubuntu and others
announced that they will add LibreOffice
3.3.x to their repositories and then drop OOo as their
default installed office suite.

As for "still having bugs"; well 99% of all software for
the PC market has bugs in their release versions.  No one
can find them all.  Some are found by accident due to
weird interaction with specific data or actions created
by a user.  We are no better, and hopefully no worse,
than other software developers when it comes to bugs.  Of
course, we do not charge you to buy our software and do
its best to own up to any bugs found, unlike some
companies that most of us know and hate.  Open Source
software may seem to some as having more bugs than their
paid alternatives, but the open source community are more
open about these things and will not tell you that you
are at fault and not their high priced software.  This
openness also makes it easier to find the cause of the
bug and get it fixed faster and better.

As for fixed schedules for software releases????
If the developers have version 3.4.4 list of work
finished a month early, they could start the RC process
early, and not wait.  So people could see a new
version/update out quicker than schedules, or if problems
arise even have it out later.  3.4 was originally due out
mid May, but it will be late May or first thing in June.
No big deal.  Of course we are not waiting for the Fall
to introduce the 3.4 version and keeping the 3.3.x
numbers going and going till then.

That is my opinion - what is yours?
Hi Tom,

Tom? or Tim?   Krackedpress is Tim

Well written, well worded and good reading article. Libre Office is indeed a
valuable application by my own experience too and I'm quite happy to see it
doing well. I'm especially happy to see that simple early-on bugs that were
ignored in OOo were taken as tasks right away; For me it's one step closer
to dropping MS Office completely. I expect that to happen in the upcoming
release 4.

It's a great trip so far!

HTH,

Twayne`
Since I am using Ubuntu as my default system, I dropped MSO completely, or I hope to. I do have a Vista laptop and a HP laptop [on loan] and I have copies of MSO from 95 to 2003. I has 2003 loaded on the Vista laptop till I needed to reinstall it to fix some major problems that crept up with Vista. After that I did not bother to install any MSO on the laptop. On my P3 tablet, I installed Word 95 to be able to work with .doc files that was on it, while it also had OOo 1.x on it. I do not have enough RAM or Speed on it to use LO.

So I am now completely removed from MSO for all practical purposes. Except for the hardware and software that require Windows, I am using Ubuntu 10.04LTS for the most part. My new printer that Prints-Scans-Copies-Faxes and prints on CD/DVD media, has some requirements that need Windows to run, so for some of the work I can use Ubuntu while other work must be done from a Windows system. Also, while it is on the network, I cannot use Xsane with my old USB connected HP Print-Scan-Copy device. As soon as it is off the network, it will work. But while using the new printer, I find that some of the features seem not to work while non connected to the network while other work fine via the USB connection. I will have to figure that out. I have no problems using the new printer via USB only, if that will be required.

So I still have to use Windows instead of a 100% commitment to Ubuntu. But I will use LibreOffice for 99.9% of the work I can predict doing that is office related. I do not think I will ever need MSO on my laptops or desktop machines in the future, but I cannot predict the future any more than anyone else. As long as I can do the work with LibreOffice, I will use LibreOffice instead of MSO 2003. One day, I hope to be able to figure out how to use WINE to get the needed Windows software to work on my Ubuntu machines.

As for LibreOffice's abilities to read/write MSO's xml formats, I hope it will get better and better as time goes by. I will soon download and test some of the MSO templates and see how well LO 3.3.2 and 3.4.x works with those test files. Once LibreOffice can work with all of MSO's file formats, and it does the work that MSO does for the "average" business user, I think more and more people will stop supporting MS where it counts, in the wallet.




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