Re: [libreoffice-users] compatibility with MS Word 2007 files, hebrew

Hi :)
1. Yes but another way around is more to the point.  MSO 2003 & 2007 handle LO 
files better than LO handles MSO files.  MSO tries to include some crazy 
non-standards stuff whereas LO is more "standards-compliant".  


2. - 4. Errr, dunno.  TTf is a generic format rather than specific to 1 program.

Regards from
Tom :)





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From: Laivy Gelerinter <laivy@neto.bezeqint.net>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 26 May, 2011 21:32:05
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] compatibility with MS Word 2007 files, hebrew

So let me understand

1. LO can deal with the MSO 2003 files better than the 2007 files?

2. If I install Ubuntu together with my Widows rather than instead can Ubuntu 
and LO access the font files that I have in the Windows system?

3. If not, will Ubuntu with LO recognize TT fonts or other fonts files that I 
have in Windows if I copy them to a Ubuntu folder?

4. If this would also not work, where could I get the "better" font files?

Thank you to all who have responded so far and I am looking forward to your 
responses to my new questions.

Laivy


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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] compatibility with MS Word 2007 files, hebrew


> On 05/26/2011 09:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> >
> > LibreOffice works on Windows too and can be installed without making it the
> > default Office Suite.  Your colleagues could continue to use MS Office for 
> most
> > things and then just use LibreOffice for the newsletter.
> >
> >
> > So far it seems that files created in LibreOffice (or OpenOffice) look fairly
> > close to the original when opened in MS Office although for MS Office prior 
to
> > 2007 the files need to be saved as "Word 98/2000/Xp" format (.doc rather than
> > .docX or .odt).  Word 2007 and 2010 can open .odt but handles .doc better.  
> > This
> > can be set as the default format in LibreOffice or OpenOffice
> > Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General
> > and then use the 2 drop-down lists at the bottom to set-up the new defaults
> > (roll back up the list 2 places to see the "98/200/Xp" formats). Sometimes 
> it's
> > just easier to use
> > File - "Save As .."
> > but changing the defaults mean you don't have to worry until after you 
upgrade
> > again.
> MSO 2003 plus the add on to read/write .docx files [directly from MSO] never 
> worked for me to read the .docx files that were on MSO's template pages.  I have 
> not tried LibreOffice 3.3.2 with some of the MSO XML files from their online 
> template site.  I have been told on these lists that the reading ability for LO 
> is much better now that what OOo was, the last time I downloaded MSO sample 
> files.  So I will have to try them.  To be honest if MSO's own add on for their 
> own products, to be able to use those nasty XML files, do not work then it will 
> be hard pressed for LO developers to make it work.  But, that is the MS way.  
> You have to buy their newest product to get to use the files saved with those 
> newest products.
> > Were the Hebrew fonts messed up?  If that happens it might be possible to
> > install 'better' Hebrew fonts.  Usually it is something odd about the way MSO
> > handles text-boxes and pictures, any boxes really.  But this can usually be
> > fixed just by dragging the boxes back to the right place
> I have many Hebrew TTF fonts ranging from 30KB to over 100KB in size. Could 
> there be a problem with the font file[s] that are being used?  That is just a 
> wild guess, but not all "Hebrew" fonts are equal in quality, as far as I can 
> see, but I do not read Hebrew.
>
> > Hopefully compatibility will improve but MS like to try to make things 
> > difficult
> > so that people are forced into buying their latest Office all the time. 
Google
> > docs also uses the OpenDocument Formats and compatibility is improving there
> > too.  The whole Cloud thing is still a bit new but it's hopefully improving
> > despite occasional set-backs.
> >
> >
> > Encouraging your colleagues to install LibreOffice and make sure it is NOT 
set
> > as the default Office Suite will help you all move to better compatibility 
> with
> > more systems.  They might even find they prefer LibreOffice more and more 
even
> > though they could always use MSO instead.  The icons are nicer and menus more
> > familiar than the ribbon-bar (especially as it looks in MSO 2007).
> If you cannot get you colleagues to use LibreOffice, please let them know that 
> it would be better for them to use .doc and other non-XML formats so it is much 
> easier to share the files with other colleagues.  As I said before, not every 
> MSO package that "claims" to read/write .docx files will read/write the same and 
> be read the same between different MSO packages. Also, some people, and 
> businesses, just do not have the money to update their systems every time MSO 
> comes out with a new version.  I know quite a few that still use MSO 2000 or 
> 2003.  So, if people will just stop using that nasty XML version of MSO file 
> formats, we all will have an easier time sharing files between MSO users and MSO 
> and LibreOffice users.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Laivy Gelerinter<laivy@neto.bezeqint.net>
> > To: users@libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Thu, 26 May, 2011 12:12:40
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] compatibility with MS Word 2007 files, hebrew
> >
> > I recently downloaded the newest version of Ubuntu in order to try it out as
> > I am not so impressed with Windows. The current download includes
> > LibreOffice. The main thing which would stop me from moving over to Ubuntu
> > is compatibility with MS Office 2007 files. I have been putting out a weekly
> > newsletter in Hebrew for the past 9 years and need to be able to access my
> > MS files and to be able to read them and work with them. I also have some
> > people working with me and they use MS Word and I must be able to
> > successfully transfer files between them and myself. The newsletter is in
> > Hebrew. When I tried opening the MS files using LibreOffice I found that the
> > formatting was very messed up as well as LibreOffice not having the fonts I
> > use and therefore everything came out wrong. How can I get LibreOffice to
> > open these files while maintaining the proper formatting and fonts? I hope
> > there is a way as everything I have heard about Ubuntu and Libreoffice point
> > to them being much more stable and powerful than MS but, as I wrote, I need
> > the compatibility with MS Office 2007 files.
> >
> > Thank you in advance
> >
> > Laivy
>
>
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