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[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2017-Mar-30


+++++ MEETING TIME IS 13:00 CEST / 11am UTC DURING THE SUMMER AND BEGINNING FROM NEXT WEEK +++++

Present: Eric, Thibaut, Jay, Heiko, Kendy, Tomaz

* New meeting time as DST begins?
+ Thursday 13:00 CEST / 11am UTC: voted +4/-1
=> New meeting time is 11am UTC

* LibOCon 27.-29. Sep Rome
+ We will have a UX room
+ do a design session to a specific topic?
+ mockup seesion (Jay)
+ Bibliography (first choice)
+ 3D dialog
+ Custom shapes
+ Share results from UE testting at Nantes (Eric)
+ also talk about redesign of features

* LibO mascot
+ Introduce a unique identification beyond the logo that can be modified within constraints
since our logo is fix and must not be changed (idea started at the BoD)
+ list of mascots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascot
+ Java: Duke https://kenai.com/projects/duke/pages/Home
+ Prototype for the idea (logo is the coffee icon, duke added later as the mascot)
+ SuSE: chameleon "geeko"
+ Mozilla: lizard, godzilla, tyrannosaurus (FF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Trademark_and_logo)
+ Linux: tux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux
+ KDE: konqi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqi
+ Krita: kiki https://krita.org/en/kiki/
+ GNU: GNU head https://www.gnu.org/graphics/agnuhead.en.html
+ mising a kitten under all the animals, like grumpy cat (Heiko)

+ Metaphors
+ worldwide product, make sure it works for all (Thibaut)
+ freedom, documents, open (Jay)
+ pideon / another bird?
+ or a more symbolic thing
+ superhero
+ crazy combination of superhero and animal (Thibaut)
+ something with edges to align with the logo (Heiko)
+ Process: internally ask for input on ML, later involve designers, e.g. OSD group
+ better we have some time to be creative (Thibaut)

* Make LibreOffice design unique (Thibaut)
+ Ticket: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106756
+ Previously mentioned in as 'Application Theme' GSoC project
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J_aogLuQThqhvT0R2em27Vpew-SLAQgpH5TbNTgXPZM/edit
+ would be the solution to swtich from themed to "default"
+ generic theme update makes much sense, but that needs dev work as it is hard-coded (kendy)
(SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen ./soffice to enable
or SAL_NO_NWF=1 to still use the detected vclplugin but no native theming)
+ only way to introduce a new generic design is to make it working in parallel first
+ themes might be text based on Gtk (Jay); Gtk3 uses CSS for theming (Tomaz)
+ someone with development skills needs to look into the topic
+ wish to have all themes via CSS, or the like (Heiko)

* Color
+ New default color palette https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87538
+ survey done, analyzed and comment included into the final layout
+ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/173uYSPE1TPaZdCL997YyQLllRt2xBIV4oD5M3Bjo7yU
+ finalization planned for the weekend
+ We have 1 grey scale, 1 basic colors, 3 light, and 4 dark now -> should we change to
8 rows by default (and have 1/1/3/3)? (Jay)
+ No idea why it's bad (Thibaut)
+ tonal.soc has 10 rows so better add one (1/1/4/4)?
+ having less colors is good was commented in the survey
=> go with 10 rows (https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/35902/)
+ Extension to export the custom palette done and blogged about
+ https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/03/29/libreoffice-extension-export-custom-palette/



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