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* Present:
    + Eike, Miklos, Kendy, Caolan, Lionel, Norbert, Kohei, Michael M,
      Andras, Stephan, Cloph,Robinson, Bjoern, Bjoern, Adam
 
.* Completed Action Items:
    + add boolean key to lock-down Expert config (Kendy)
    + work on Keith's initial HiDPI patch and/or adapt (Kendy)
        [ got the framewok into master ]
    + get a URL to Florian R to test Windows bibisect with (Cloph)
        [ up-loading a repo with 29 builds for testing, the bundle after
          git GC is 340Mb, 10Mb per build or so ]
    + Open a separate product - for pre-releases for Android & iOS (Cloph)
        [ instead we can have people opt-in for Alpha / Beta / testing etc. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + partition document test loads / run them on tinderboxen (Norbert)
        [ stalled ]
    + need design for copying styles between templates (Cor Nouws/other UX?)
        cf. http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01658.html
            http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01663.html
    + Buy an iPhone for testing vs. Dev. budget (Cloph)
    + Review patches in the queue (Andrzej)
        [ blocking getting an Android pre-release of this out ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
    + 4.1.4 RC2 - announced to public on Wednesday
        + current stable version, auto-update enabled tomorrow.
    + 4.2.0 RC1 - announced to QA and early-announce list
        + will be announced to the public shortly.
        + windows build has the enable-symbols option [whoot]
            + we have a Windows symbol server here:
                 http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/symstore/symbols/
            + [ did we test it ? (Kendy)
                tested whether the symbols can be resolved with a tool (Cloph)
                would appreciate QA guys doing real stack unwinding testing of
                crashes. ]
        + Then a Christmas break of 2x weeks in the schedule ...
    + 4.2 - next deadline Jan 6th. (hard code freeze and branch-off)
    + GSOC / Android & iOS remote control pre-releases for 4.2
    + 4.2 Feature freeze update / status
        + 4.2 MAB count - still v. high for this point in the cycle.
        + GL / chart pieces (Michael/Moggi)
            [ tripple review for 4.2.1 ? ]
        + DataStreams re-work (Kohei)
            [ huge change in this, but it's experimental only, needs to be cleaned
              no objections, experimental only (Norbert) ]
    + please ensure that release notes are up-to-date:
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2
    + FOSDEM/UX-Hackfest/LibreOffice 4.2.0 release all around the same date
        + good idea to prepare FOSDEM slides early (Bjoern)
        + should release before it - mid-week 30th or so (Norbert)
 
* Christmas break:
    + next ESC call on 9th January.
 
* Crashtest update (Markus)
    + cf. http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/
      new crash testing result is available (cf. the date & git hash)
      All files tested, and the results are complete for the 1st time.
      and that all odb files are not valid according to the validator
        + need to look at the standard (Lionel)
            + presumably some silly error ...
            + note that except by dumping firebird / hsqldb
              database into the standard, we'll not get a fully interoperable std.
    + very helpful if you just add test files to given directory
      for import/export crashers (Miklos)
        + implemented so that if you fix an export crasher.
        + just copy the file into: eg.
              sw/qa/core/exportdata/
 
* FOSDEM (Kendy)
    + Should register our talks in Pentabarf
       + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM14
    + Standard Hotel 'Astrid' bookings to share at:
       + http://www.astridhotel.be/index-en.html
    + Usability hack-fest 2x days after FOSDEM:
       + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2014#Participants
          + good to register ...
 
* Certification update (Kendy/Bjoern/Stephan)
    + look into a new round next year.
 
* Update Dialog: Remove install button? (Robinson)
     + This has been broken for quite some time; Hide it until we can make it work ?
AI:  + either hide, or better make it work (Andras / Kendy)
 
* QA asks: What's our message re: the last version in a release series? (Robinson)
   + what message do we give ? should we announce and/or transition users over to
     the next release series sooner ? ie. don't update to a dead-end version ?
   + people filing bugs. vs. 4.0.6 (or sim.) should be made aware that the release
     is not supported ? (Bjoern)
   + it's normal to have to tell people to update to file a bug (Norbert)
        + we make this reasonably clear in the release announcement (Michael)
            + less clear for people who are updating (Robinson)
        + sometimes we don't know if it is really the last (Norbert)
   + if someone tries to keep their ver. up-to-date; will select 4.0.6, if
     we tell them we'd like them to update, the updater will not provide that
     for them. The updater will say it's stable, the updater will tell them to
     use a new version (Robinson)
        + should we move people more quickly to x.y.2 ? (Norbert)
        + no right answer really, but current solution is reasoanbly elegant:
             + not move people to a nominally less stable (albeit newer) version.
    + we always like bugs reported vs. the latest version.
    + particularly bad now - until we pull ~everyone up to 4.1.x when 4.2.0 is released
    + so we want to suggest that people go to a stable version (Robinson)
        + can we offer an optional upgrade to a newer series intead ?
        
    ** Unusual static & call split at this point, loosing European Talkyo'ans **
        
AI:     + discuss optional new version upgrade next time ...
    + people are upgraded when micro version of newline >= currently installed version, but
      can update people to newline after old line has been declared EOL - e.g. 4.0.6 has been
      declared last of 4.0 → next release is 4.1.4 → have 4.0.x users download 4.1.4 in update-check
    * still offered on DL-Page because NL-projects directly link to oldstable version
        + can we just show the last old version when that magic param is there in the URL? (Bjoern)
          probably possible with some js-magic
        => discuss next time ...
 
* QA update (Robinson)
    + FDO flaky today, but appears to be up again
        + Please ping cloph/robinson if it continues to be flakey
    + Bugzilla Migration update
        + no news.
    + Need-advice bug list bits: Couple of bugs from a11y
        => make them MABs
 
* QA stats:
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +144    -103    (+41 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Foss                22
        Jean-Baptiste Faure  7
        Kohei Yoshida        6
        Eike Rathke          5
        Lionel Elie Mamane   5
        Cor Nouws            4
        Adolfo Jayme (fitoschido) 3
        mariosv              3
* Open 4.2 MAB
  + 15/45 14/38 13/29 8/23 7/20 7/18 5/16
     33%   37%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.1 MAB
  + 32/136 29/130 29/127 28/125 28/122 28/119 27/118 8/116 21/106
     23%    22%    23%    22%    23%    24%    23%   24%    20%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.0 MAB
  + 56/208 55/208 56/208 57/208 57/205 57/204 53/200 54/200 55/200
     26%    26%    27%    27%    28%    28%    27%    27%    28%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
  + 46/169 48/169 48/168 49/167 48/164 48/162 49/160 49/158 40/148
    + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 338(+3) bugs open of 2166(+11) total
    * ~Component   count net *
           Writer - 105 (+5)
      Spreadsheet - 45 (-2)
      Libreoffice - 33 (+1)
          Crashes - 23 (+0)
     Presentation - 22 (-1)
         Database - 19 (-1)
          Borders - 16 (+0)
          Drawing - 15 (-1)
            BASIC -  6 (+0)
        Migration -  3 (+0)
  + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
  + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
  + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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