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* Present:
    + Miklos, Andras, Caolan, David, kendy, Kohei, Eike, Markus, Stephan,
      Tibby, Robinson, Cloph, Bjoern, Michael M, Michael S
* Completed Action Items
    + CC developers' mailing list on all the easy hacks (Bjoern)
    + poke marketing / PR for 4.1.2 announce (Cloph)
    + change wiki page to eliminate proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
    + create a script that counts bug commenters stats for minor release update PR (Bjoern)
    + switch to 10.8 baseline for Mac / 64bit (Norbert)
    + ask Rob to turn auto-'regression' status off on the BSA (Robinson)
       [ bug filed ]
* Pending Action Items:
    + find better way to export from Coverity categories of non-security critical bugs (Caolan)
    + design-team raising template concerns, address these if possible & push (Ahmad)
    + setup infrastructure to build bibisect repos (Cloph / Bjoern / Norbert)
    + propose different name for proposed easy hacks (Markus)
    + produce a VM for the load / crash regressions (Cloph / Markus)
    + partition document test loads / run them on tinderboxen (Norbert)
    + produce a VM with callgrind metrics (Matus)
    + transition and automate this inside a VM for Cloph (Lionel)
    + create script to auto-mail users list for each API Change commit (Bjoern/Stephan)
    + ask Florian for a minimal / simple solution for larger bug docs (Robinson)
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
    + 4.1.2 retrospective
        + wider RC3 / delay announcement
        + will activate automatic update today.
    + 4.0.6 RC1 status
        + pushed to the mirrors, ready to be announced later today
    + 4.1.3 RC1 - status
        + on the way to the mirrors
    + 4.0.6 RC2 deadline - next Monday
    + 4.1.3 RC2 - deadline week after
    + can we include the new bug-triager credits script for minor updaes ? (Bjoern)
        + a script that generates data on who commented in the related bugs
AI:     + point Cloph at script in dev-tools (Bjoern)
    + GSOC / Android & iOS remote releases ?
        + previously pushed every update to the release branch (Miklos)
            + so ok to release from master ?
AI:     + get setup wrt. mobile app-store access (Cloph / Thorsten)
AI:     + ask app-authors wrt. freeze (Kendy)
* obsolete git branch cleanup (Thorsten)
    + git push origin --delete <branchName>
AI: + mail out list of branches (Michael)
* New Google C* font replacements (Caolan)
    + http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/186967
    + Carlito -> Calibri
    + Caladea -> Cambria
    + packaging them for Fedora -> into LibreOffice.
* Regression analysis (Bjoern)
    + good news, fixing more regressions than we're introducing
        + the stats are going up, but thought to be better QA / triage.
    + because marking more:
        + ~50% of bugs closed in a major release, marked as regressions
    + conclusion:
        + doing a reasonable job of keeping regressions under control since 3.6
        + continued focus on unit-testing important.
        + could / focus on areas where we detected most regressions.
           + hope is that fixes come with unit tests so we do focus there (Michael)
    + would be good to scrape bugzilla for 'regression' that were fixed
        + identify code in commit & find most regression-prone code.
AI:     + create easy-hack to indentify the above (Bjoern)
          + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66750 done
        + way too few unit-tests for impress (Kendy)
    + contrast with the weekly stats which seem to climb endlessly (Michael M)
        + around 100 of our 'regressions' - needinfo or unconfirmed (Bjoern)
        + could we review / de-tagging these ?
AI:         + QA team can prioritise that (Robinson)
    + Link that has regressions introduced in recent minor releases (Michael S)
        http://bit.ly/18RVbgp
        
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.1.1%20rc&version=4.0.1.2%20release&version=4.0.2.1%20rc&version=4.0.2.2%20release&version=4.0.3.1%20rc&version=4.0.3.2%20rc&version=4.0.3.3%20release&version=4.0.4.1%20rc&version=4.0.4.2%20release&version=4.0.5.1%20rc&version=4.0.5.2%20release&product=LibreOffice&list_id=353044
        + be good to look into these specifically
* Bundled extensions (Stephan)
    + one left - presentation minimizer
    + de-extensionalizing by David O planned
    + one instdir/ issue - bundled extensions don't show up
    + lots of --enable-ext-whatever foo in configure, that bundle extn's
      we hardly ever build, if we get rid of them, we avoid needing to fix
      instdir to not include them.
    + distro-configs for TDF builds, include wikipublisher, nlpsolver
        + do we want to have those ?
        + we need the nlpsolver (Kohei)
    + is it built locally - or is it a tarball (Stephan)
        + external pkg, but built locally (Kohei)
        + thought there was an UNO wrapper for it.
    + could we add it to the list of things to de-extensionalise ? (Stephan)
        + we need it.
    + could we just advertise that instdir doesn't work for some esoteric
      bundled extensions ? (Michael)
        + will want installsets from instdir/ eventually anyway (Stephan)
        + need to take care of them first
    + disable wikipublisher for now ? (Stephan)
        + problems around packaging it if it's outside (Bjoern)
* QA update (Robinson)
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
        +168    -130    (+38 overall)
         many thanks to the top seven bug squashers:
            Samuel M.     16
            Joel Madero    8
            Cor Nouws      8
            Urmas          7
            Jorendc        6
            ign_christian  6
            Thomas Arnhold 6
    + bug count increasing.
    + build-bots are down, not seeing daily builds (Robinson)
        + problems building master on release config - should be solved this week. (Cloph)
    + planned, windows & linux bibisect repos - what is the timeline ? (Robinson)
        + few weeks to a month out (Cloph)
        + Canonical bibisect repo is updated - since October 4th (Bjoern)
            + also started personal build of that, we have 2x of these running & updating
    + pleased by daily builds of android remote.
    + what daily builds do we consider to be important infrastructure ?
        + New Mac hardware on-order, and Cloph setting up.
        + should have dailys back soon.
    + proposed bugzilla migration, needs co-ordination with Tollef
        + what's the status / communication going on ?
        + Thorsten was poking him (Bjoern)
        + status is: it is possible, but not started yet ...
        + need to setup board / funding for it
            + want to plan it for late Q1 2014
        + when last discussed - Tollef mentioned having time in November
AI:     + draw the threads together & propose funding to the board (Robinson)
* Development page cleanup (Bjoern)
    + call for action: cleanup your old wiki pages !
        + try killing ooo-build wrapper mentions etc.
    + all dev pages with > 1000 hits:
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Bjoern-michaelsen/DevPagesCleanup-2013-10
    + hope is by leading here we can encourage others to clean up their mess too.
* QA stats:
* Open 4.2 MAB
        + 6/13 4/10 2/8 1/6 1/6 2/6 5/6 5/6 6/6 7/7 2/2 2/2 1/1
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65675
* Open 4.1 MAB
        + 18/100 17/99 15/96 14/93 12/91 14/91 17/89 15/85 15/81 13/77 8/68
           18%    17%   16%   15%   13%   15%   19%   18%   19%   17%  12%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.0 MAB
        + 56/198 58/198 56/195 54/193 55/194 52/183 50/180 52/180 44/171
           29%    29%    29%    28%    29%    28%    28%    29%    26%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 36/144 35/143 34/142 34/141 34/140 35/140 36/167 37/137 41/137 33/128 33/125 34/124
                + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 384(+3) bugs open of 2070(+20) total
        * ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 110 (+3)
           Spreadsheet - 54 (+1)
           Libreoffice - 47 (+1)
          Presentation - 35 (+3)
               Crashes - 29 (+1)
              Database - 22 (-1)
               Borders - 17 (+0)
               Drawing - 17 (+0)
                 BASIC -  4 (+0)
             Migration -  3 (+0)
    + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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