minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
  + Thorsten, Lionel, Joel, David, Michael M, Markus, Kendy, Ahmad,
    Andras, Kohei, Tsahi, Caolan, Stephan, Bjoern, Cedric, Petr

* Completed Action items:
  + double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike)
    [ Done. The two properties added to
      com.sun.star.form.component.DataBaseListBox are
      marked optional which doesn't harm existing clients. ]
  + Hackfest: connect to University of Hamburg (Eike)
  + Mac: open/save of odt broken (Stephan)
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58978
  + disable gallery building on Mac (Norbert)
  + enable coretext for 4.1 / Mac betas (Norbert)
  + printing options meta-bug creation (Joel)
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64679
  + Hackfest: promote it on http://www.meetup.com/find/ (Bjoern)
    [ stalled, needs a for-pay account ]
  + Hackfest: promote it on http://lanyrd.com/dashboard/ (Bjoern)
  + buy fast Windows build hardware (Norbert, Kendy)
    + bought two boxes
        + look at gradient issues (Caolan)
  + setup Mac hardware as tinderbox slave (Norbert)
    [ looking good, up and running, incremental one ]
    [ would be great to have a 10.6 build-bot (Stephan)
      + came with 10.8 - havn't found one (Norbert) ]
  + find a good public ? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten)
    [ drop it for now, still on Thorsten's list ]
  + fix can't progress through the database wizard (Petr)
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62937
  + follow up certification invitations (Cert. team)
    [ sent out reminders, most responded ]
        + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
    + status from Cor (thanks !)
    + one issue (editing templates) looks solved
    + ideas for second (copying styles) looks promising
      (but perhaps has code difficulties for 'copying' what
       works in sw to sc)
    + input for third (visibility of various) still welcome
      http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01658.html
    + and this split thread
      http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01663.html

* Pending Action items:
  + feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron)
  + buy fast Windows build hardware (Markus, Thorsten)
AI: + get info to Markus on what to get, or Hamburg Hackfest sync. (Thorsten)
  + kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus)
    [ in progress, several issues around it ]
  + revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad)
    [ busy the last weeks, starting next week ]
  + 4.1 issues:
    + fix gallery building on Mac (Michael?)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1
  + 4.0.4 rc1 - ** Monday **
  + 4.1 Beta1 status
    + done the Beta1 tag
    + created the libreoffice-4-1 branch
      + any bug fixes without review still welcome there
        until end of Beta period.
      + features need tripple review.
    + Linux + Mac builds done, Windows pending
  + 4.1 - feature-freeze / retrospective / update
    + problems with public holidays on Monday
    + problems with release configuration (all-langs) vs.
      fast tinderbox builds
      + nice to have an all-langs Win32 tinderbox (Michael)
    + good to have more tinderboxes - 4x new ones coming.
    + good to share access to TDF machines to nurse them.
    + budget left for hosted Linux boxes - volunteers appreciated.
  + 4.1 MABs:
    + scroll right/left - pending a patch from Emir
    + superscript bug - Lubos chasing ...
  + 4.1 pending / watch features / issues
    + wiki page needs updating with features:
      + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1
    + match-case search (Andrzej)
      + to merge to 4-1 (Michael)
  + should experimental features be exempt from the freeze ?
    + Kendy has a nice sidebar cleanup
    + how to determine that ? (Norbert)
      + perhaps just a single review (Michael)
    + [ beta period single review ]

* QA update (Joel)
  + no hiccups, stable bug-count
  + Need_Advice bugs input appreciated
    + http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    + closing the gap:
      + +135 -127
  + working on stats for March / April
  + working on an bugs.freedesktop.org navigation video (Joel)
  + what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ?
    + bring them up in ESC as/when added
    + http://tinyurl.com/atrr7xr
    + an OS/X bug ... - lots of dups.
      + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007
      + Norbert already had a fix.
      + input appreciated.

* Hamburg hack-fest (Thorsten)
  + Reminder to book travel
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2013
    + we have TDF travel budget $1k to spend
      + approved Caolan, Michael, Thorsten
  + If you're coming - please add your name to the wiki
    + helps with food ordering
AI: + add KACST guys to wiki (Ahmad)

* Report from San Francisco meet-up (Bjoern)
  + not a large number of participants, but just a first meet-up
    + all interested, more permanant presence needed
  + more promotion needed next time

* gerrit mails decision (Bjoern / Kendy)
  + find out how many subscribers on the dev list (Kendy)
    + 598 full mails and 186 digest guys
  + Proposed compromise: (decide on it next time)
    + build a daily digest of submitted patches -> dev list
      + with commit messages, authors, links etc.
    + turn other notifications off
    + better document the gerrit mail / notification settings
    + encourage people who want to see everything to do that.
  + concern around workload for gerrit sending lots
    more mail out (Norbert)
    + suck it and see for a week (Michael)
  + Go with the compromise
AI: + get the digest bits setup (Bjoern)
    + already have a script by David for that, put that
      into the dev-tools/ repository bikeshedding there.

* GSOC update (Cedric)
  + handled and retained two duplicate students so far
    + de-duplication meeting tomorrow
  + no notification of students until Google announce that
    + by May 27th - students will know.
  + smooth progress - thanks to Cedric + Fridrich

* UX input
  + no-designer around.

* Better communication / hangouts / webcams (Michael)
  + google hangouts restrict us to 10x people
  + video/audio mix is possible
  + try next time to fuse a hangout + the existing dial-in
AI: + send gmail contact details to Michael to build a circle (All interested)

* Scattered dependent packages issues (Bjoern)
  + minor LibreOffice updates often require a slew of
    other minor package updates around the wpd* set
    + do we have any visibility into if this might
      cause regressions
  + no good ideas how to solve it
  + for SUSE (Petr)
    + we build them bundled for older products
    + don't have big problems updating the set otherwise
  + could use the bundled versions, but against Debian policy (Bjoern)
    + could ask for exceptions for wpd* - unlikely to work well
  + could fix by not updating requirements in configure (Petr)
    + all ABI back-compatible within the series (Michael)
  => recommend to keep binary compat in the major series after x.y.2
     and stick with old versions in releases (if possible)
    + if not possible, mail Bjoern.

** Hard Hacks - re-visit (Joel / Bjoern)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
  + lots of progress - but mostly by fixing MABs
    + calc slot 'open' for weeks.
  + QA call mostly ok with sunsetting it, did it's job
    for it's time (Bjoern)
  + QA team has got bigger, and has been fixing prioritisation
    which does something similar (Joel)
  + The new 'need-advice' keyword helps the QA <-> Developer
    communication around hard (to confirm) bugs.

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
  + discussion about certified developer logo, do we have one ? (Stephan)
  + need to send certificates out.

* QA request - for areas to test (Joel)
  + need to have some areas to go dig at, that is easy to find
  + QA looked into 3.6.x series to see how many regressions happened
    within the series, work pending there.

* Open 4.1 MAB
        + 3 (of 23) older 4/17 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB
        + 16 (of 128) older 18/129 17/126 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111
             13% 14% 13% 14% 20% 19% 17% 16% 15%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 69 (of 231) older 71/229 72/228 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216
             30% 31% 32% 33% 33% 34% 33% 34% 36%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 36 (of 105) older 35/100 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78
                http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
  + 304(+2) bugs open of 1553(+23) total

  * ~Component count net *
          Writer - 100 (+3)
     Spreadsheet - 34 (+1)
    Presentation - 28 (-2)
     Libreoffice - 27 (+1)
         Crashes - 22 (+0)
        Database - 21 (-1)
         Drawing - 20 (+1)
         Borders - 14 (+0)
           BASIC - 3 (-1)
       Migration - 3 (+0)

        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1