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* Present:
        + Kendy, Stephan, Eike, Markus, Michael M, Petr, Lubos,
          Norbert, Thorsten, Caolan, Ahmad.
        + bad week for US overlap; regrets from Joel etc.

* Completed Action Items
        + issues to look into if we can
                + fdo#34548 - review Michael's patch (Thorsten)
                        + not happy, not pushing
        + get more details wrt. new hardware & connect (Norbert / Sophie)
                + ongoing.
        + re-order / update the HardHacks page (Joel)
                + adding fdo#40594 - to the live list of five.

* Pending Action Items
        + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
        + audit set of new / built-in fonts (Caolan)
        + poke UX advise wrt. how to improve color management UI team (Markus)
        + issues to look into if we can
                + fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten)
                + fdo#51023 - impress D&D crasher - (Radek)
        + set updater to get 3.5.0..2 -> 3.6.2 (Kendy)
                + instead re-direct to 3.6.3 - but delay until
                  tomorrow to avoid un-synched mirror load.
        + create script / suggestions to parse Meeks minutes (Bjoern)
        + font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras)
                + patch / improvements coming from Astron
        + provide a new palette based on Tango (Alex?)
        + minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
        + setup call for designs for FOSDEM T-shirts (Astron)
                + needs feedback from Kendy -> Mirek

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + Petr back and mostly recovered from honeymoon
        + 3.6.3 retrospective
                + sadly missing a11y fix queued for 3.6.4
AI:             + add a11y issue to release notes (Thorsten)
                + thanks to all for fixing & reviews
        + 3.6.4 rc1 branch deadline is Nov 12th
        + on-line update / full switch-over go/no-go
                + delay for one week.
        + 3.7 timeline: Dec 3rd - week 47
                + feature-freeze 4 weeks out.

* Motah introduction (Ahmad)
        + KACST - government sponsored institute
        + first project to improve Arabic LibreOffice support
        + fix bugs, errors around RTL, Arabic translation etc.
        + feature work planned further out
        + Arabic wiki + documentation work is done
        + open-source engineer, on LibreOffice for four months

* 4.0 decision
        + preference for simple rules, not specifics (Kendy)
                + minimise the impact on all users / ext'n developers
                + smaller ongoing changes - with bigger revisions /
                  compatibility code, deprecations etc.
                + more details / solvable individual case-by-case issues
                  to be discussed on the lists.
                + proceeding with plans.
        + two different issues (Stephan)
                + handling incompatibility in 4.0 ?
                + are we in-time to switch 3.7 to 4.0 ?
        + are we in-time to switch to 4.0 ?
                + never a good time to switch with incremental
                  time-based releases (Kendy)
                        + hence ~never having a big bang, introducing
                          small changes over time.
                + why decide now, not at the outset of the release ?
                  if we know six months in advance - we'll release
                  4.0, more room for manoever.
                        + we've discussed this for months with no decision
                + now we agree - what's in there / how to break it why
                  not delay one release ? (Norbert)
                + had a plan for this for over a year - cf. wiki page (Kendy)
                + if we don't do big breakage - why wait ? (Michael)
                + ABI breakage is not a binary thing (mst, Norbert)
                + not able to do the work in the wiki in in 4 weeks (mst)
                + ~none of us has done much of the 4.0 page yet (Stephan)
        + are there are more things to do for a 4.0 ? (Stephan)
                + higher quality / better feature-set.
        + alternative - summer release of 4.0
                + still have issues getting it all done, can we can continue
                  to break things in 4.1 ?
                + is it better to have a 4.0 with lots of new features
                  and little breakage ? or not.
        + desire to keep changes as small as possible whatever (Stephan)
        + user-installation changes required (Stephan)
                + can we clean that up in advance ?
                + should we stick with the /3 directory ?
                + how about berkelydb removal - does that break things anyway ?
        + we can't do all the changes we want to do in one release (Lubos)
                + could we plan to do 5.0 after a couple of releases ?
                + if so engrave those dates in stone to avoid re-discussion (Norbert)
        + announce ABI is not set in stone - and may change post 4.0 (Norbert)

        * majority view is to have a 4.0 release with very limited ABI
          breakage in place of 3.7 - however some progress on the wiki
          wish-list:
                + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4
AI:             + post proposed set of rules for 4.x ABI handling to
                  list for discussion (Kendy)
AI:             + update wiki page / versioning details (Petr)

(out of time):

* submodules retrospective (Norbert)

* FOSDEM dev-room:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2013

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
        + re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
        
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* QA update (Joel / Bjoern)

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks

* Fixed 3.7 MAB
        + fdo#55290 - LOdev 3.7 won't install [ on Windows ]. Error 1935
                + thanks to David Ostrovsky and David Tardon
        + fdo#56291 - saving spreadsheets with passwd looses content
                + thanks to Markus Mohrhard

* Open 3.7 MAB / regressions [ there should be none ]:
        + 3 (of 16) older 3/14 2/13
        + fdo#53525 - 2 columns Table of contents exceeds page width ?
        + fdo#55563 - PPTX image background rendered incorrectly
        + fdo#55570 - significant autocorrect slow-down (Stephan)
        + fdo#56460 - CRASH closing specific .odg files ?
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 35 (of 145) older 33/139 30/132 27/127 44/139 46/137 45/132 44/127 39/119
              24%            24%    23%    21%    32%    34%    34%    35%    33%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 69 open (of 279) older 75/278 77/279 78/278 81/279 82/279 83/279 80/270
              25%                 27%    28%     28%    29%    29%    30%    30%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 177(+1) bugs open of 882(+10) total

        * ~Component   count net *
        + Writer       - 74 (-1)
        + Presentation - 18 (-3)
        + Crashes      - 16 (+0)
        + Database     - 15 (+1)
        + Spreadsheet  - 13 (+1)
        + LibreOffice  - 12 (+0)
        + Drawing      - 12 (-1)
        + Borders      - 11 (-1)
        + Migration    - 5  (-2)
        + Basic        - 3  (+1)
        + Writer / RTF - 3  (+1)

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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