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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:19:24 +0200
From: Bjoern Michaelsen <>
Subject: minutes of the QA Call tomorrow, Tuesday 1300UTC
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)

Hi all,

attending: Florian R., Bjoern, Petr

structured manual testing (Yifan?):
 - MozTrap was quickly and ad-hoc demoed at the LibreOffice conference, found quite some interest
   (QA and RelEng Roundtable)

bug wrangling:
 - bugzilla with OpenID would still require registering
   - that kinda defeats the purpose, any other ideas?
 - skip HardHack selection, devs were almosty all at the conference last week
   (or swamped with preparations)

community building/communication (Cor?):
   - Florian did some awesome work to make server installations (and thus
     master testing) on Windows more accessable:
     - is blocked by fdo#54304
AI:    - take this to the ESC/Andras (Bjoern)
   - the newly donated virtual machines should be used allow users to remotely
     login and test master
     - intended to be combined with bibisect
     - a lot of setup work though, still off a few months
   - Florian came up with this work, to improve the quality of filed bugs:
     - originally intended to be implemented inside LibreOffice (Florian)
       - brainstormed at the german QA weekend
       - would allow easy testdocument inclusion in upload
       - safe detection of version and OS
       - would be localized
       - stats show already 50 unconfirmed bugs/month since the last cleanup 
     - multiple issues with implementing this inside LibreOffice itself (Bjoern):
       - privacy
       - proxy/connectivity settings (e.g. corp. firewalls)
       - resources/assumed hard to find a volunteer for
       - we cant adjust old and released versions
AI:    - take to the ESC still, to prove the assumption (Bjoern)
     - maybe better to extend a webbased solution for that (Bjoern/Petr)
       - OS and version can be encoded in the initial "file a bug" url
       - updateable and localizable
       - no 'automatic' inclusion of docs, but that is tricky anyway from a privacy POV
       - while our current infra team is stuffed with work, its in general
         easier to find talent for this kind of work (and maybe grow the infra team)
    - in theory, it is possible to make the BSA file bugs without the reporter registering 
      - file them from a account
      - add a field in the whiteboard status
      - add some procmail magic to the account that forwards to the bsa-reporter
      - without keeping the original reporter in the loop, bug report quality will only get worse
      - very hackish approach
    - the idea to create to send the bug to a mailing list for review instead
      of blindly creating a bug is interesting (Bjoern)
      - might help getting more people involved in QA
      - works with local teams in non-english too
      - we could do a testdrive of this with those l10n communities that have
        enough manpower to handle the incoming native language reports:
        - portuguese/brazil
        - french
        - german
        - english
      - requires those prescreening the report to be responsive and reliable
        (thus their teams need a certain size)



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