minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
  + Rainer, David, Andras, Lionel, Norbert, Christian L,
    Kendy, Caolan, Mitch, Stephan, Michael M, Cedric, Petr,
    Astron, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items
  + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
    statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)
  + maildrop for Gerrit (Bjoern)
    + http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-August/036600.html
      + send mail starting [PATCH] to gerrit at libreoffice.org
    initial implementation done, could need some tweaking, like:
    - adding the mail body (and the time and sender of the mail)
    - maildropped patches do not get firehosed to the ML (unless CCed) as the
      uploader is the gerritbot himself and thus he get no email notification
      about his upload -- a firehose based on openstacks IRC bot should solve this
      and not be too hard (and that one is now properly licensed, so we can fork it)
    - allowing adding comments via email (though no approval -- to much
      authentication troubles)
  + file an easy-hack to ship a binary to zip user-profile for debugging (Petr)
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53583
  + update QA FAQs / challenge answers to encourage moving
    profiles away instead of deleting (Rainer)
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile
    + http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2012-August/002251.html

* Pending Action Items
  + 4.0 issues (Everyone)
    + everyone interested in cleanups - claim your work until next ESC!
      + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4
  + make bytemark windows box do release builds (Fridrich)
  + crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz)
  + re-think our bundled font list (Astron / design-team)

* GSOC update (Cedric)
  + Monday 13th deadline for code
  + next week - students & mentors need to fulfill the evaluation
  + students need to prepare a tar.gz with patches
    + is: git log -u --author='Andrzej' > /tmp/big-patch.diff
    + adequate (eg.) or is splitting them mandatory, use eg.
    + git rev-list --author='Andrzej' master
  + drop-dead-line for reviews Aug 24th

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
  + 3.6.1 RC1 update
    + being up-loaded to mirrors, hopefully for announce
      tomorrow, on-track
    + deadline for RC2 on Monday
    + hope to have extensions troubles nailed & a much
      better experience left & right.
    + big pre-reg removal so far appears sound
  + 3.6.2 rc1 - September 17th
  + 3.5.6 retrospective
    + released yesterday, smooth release
    + potentially hard to find how to download it
  + 3.5.7 rc1 - October 12th

* download / version selection issues
  + always complicated to have 2x downloads on
    the same page (Astron)
    + can we label point-zero releases in some
      better way ?
    + chicken-egg problem around testing
  + would an improved testing program help ?
    + encouraging more people to download it.
  + We could list other versions explicitly instead
    of having the multiple selection pages marked
    "Change system, version, language" (Cloph)

* Editing website performance (Cloph)
  + issue with editing the website - takes the site
    down for a long delay.
  + we've had load issues on the server; php processes
    taking too much CPU; setup VM to do some profiling
    this weekend
    + issues for two weeks, since re-start;
      looking (Cloph)
  + user-rendered pages, not affected, only editing
  + xcache investigation - no impact either way
  + leap-second bug related (Nobert?)

* UI / design update (Astron)
  + started the fonts discussion, proposals on a wiki page
    https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Wishlists/Fonts

* gerrit -> freedesktop migration
  + planned for Friday night European time,
  + starting over the weekend; push to gerrit instead
    + E-mail will be sent when it's ready.
  + pushing to freedesktop will give a helpful
    warning instead.
  + so *still* regular git, normal git push - just a
    different server.

* Call for Papers - talks @ LibreOffice con
  + http://conference.libreoffice.org/call-for-paper
  + more talks, particularly short talks appreciated
    + Android / cross-compilation - Tor
AI: + release mgmt & QA round-table - Petr
AI: + CMIS - why it rocks - Cedric
AI: + overview of Base easy-hacks - Lionel
AI: + easy-hacks - the workshop (Michael)
AI: + 15mins improving on-line updates (Kendy)
AI: + 15mins wiki help update (Kendy)

* bugzilla / gerrit integration (Bjoern)
  + concern about getting spammed a lot.
  + if only one mail if there is a patch at all, it doesn't hurt too much
    + changing it is an easy-hack

* GUADEC update (Michael)
  + liblibreoffice interest for libevince like embedding
    + complementary to mobile device work.
  + potential tracker indexing bits
    + come up in conversation - difficult to work out what's up
  + hacked on gstreamer

* QA update (Rainer)
  + needinfo mass-close panic subsiding
    + not optimal, but it is what it is,
    + Rainer happy to deal with complaints, just fwd.
  + what's up with the MINGW / win-7 tinderbox slave
    + it was harming a five-year-old beast / test
      machine we run it on
AI: + re-start it soon (Kendy)
    + Rainer wants to triage MINGW bugs.
  + introducing 'HardHacks' (Bjoern)
    + 3.6.0 flameage
    + QA team suggested picking five top-bugs each
      two weeks in their call, need to be:
      + among MAB
      + triaged as far as possible
      + best prepared bugs: symbol traces,
        reproducible etc.
    + throw these over to the ESC
      + quest for volunteers here to dig into them.
    + want a hard-hacks query - with five hits
    + bug list into minutes for call etc. (5mins)
      + briefly discuss them each week
    + suck it see next week (Rainer)
  + producing a bibsect repository for Windows (Norbert)
  + new bug report page - with search for duplicates [!] ...
  + Bjoern's hard-hack idea ...

* git-review thoughts (Bjoern)

* 4.0 - ongoing discussion (Kendy)
  + best ideas heard so far: to do an ABI thaw for 4.0,
    and keep in place until after 4.1 - 1 year for ABI
    fixing.

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
    + 21 (of 80) older 11/58 12/55 11/48 8/42 10/37 11/35 5/26 5/21 3/19 4/15
         26% 19% 22% 23% 19% 27% 31% 19% 24% 16% 27%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
    + 76 open (of 256) older 75/253 77/253 73/250 72/249 67/244 70/243 73/241
         30% 30% 30% 29% 29% 27% 29% 30%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 166(-11) bugs open of 736(+13) total

    * ~Component count net *
    + Writer - 67 (+0)
    + Presentation - 19 (-2)
    + Crashes - 14 (-6)
    + LibreOffice - 14 (-3)
    + Spreadsheet - 14 (-2)
    + Database - 10 (-1)
    + Drawing - 12 (+1)
    + Borders - 9 (+0)
    + Migration - 8 (+1)
    + Writer / RTF - 4 (-3)
    + Basic - 2 (+0)

    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
    + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489