Re: [libreoffice-marketing] plea to remove in-app advertising from LibreOffice

On 1/30/19 12:00 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> ... Thunderbird - who shows the donation message at
> every launch of the program, so even multiple times per day - but I have
> not seen any similar complaints on Thunderbird support mailing lists.

I have used Thunderbird on a daily basis for over 10 years and also 
frequently set it up for all of our office users (about 50 computers).  
I never see advertising in Thunderbird (60.2.1 64bit on Ubuntu) and I 
can't recall ever having seen it - let alone having it pop up and 
request a response to dismiss it. So quite honestly I have no idea what 
you are talking about - I am completely unaware of any Thunderbird 
advertising. However, I couldn't help immediately noticing and disliking 
the advertisement as soon as it started in LibreOffice 6.1.

> Thanks to the involvement of volunteers and to donations money we are
> able to organize events around FOSDEM, the LibreOffice Conference, pay
> for volunteer travels to events either internationally or locally, have
> a team who manages the day to day activities of the foundation, and so
> on.

Yes - and this has been happening for a very long time, without any 
assistance from pop-up, in-app advertisements.

On 1/30/19 12:16 PM, Mike Saunders wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> I've read many hundreds of feedback messages across those channels since
> the release of LibreOffice 6.1, and haven't seen a *single* complaint
> (or even mention) relating to the "Get involved" infobar.

In the ESC meeting, pretty much every person (including those 
pro-Infobar) indicated that being asked to "GetInvolved" was irritating 
when they were already involved. Nobody has seen the "Donate" request 
yet (since LO 6.2 isn't released yet), and that's why I want to avert 
the negative response that a donor will feel when his financial 
contribution is also overlooked.

> And now my personal view: I think we are absolutely right to keep it.
> Even if a few people find it naggy (and again, given that I've seen no
> mention of it on social media, I don't think it's many), I think it's
> extremely important that we remind people: this software doesn't just
> happen by magic. It's the hard work of a community and ecosystem
> members. If you want it to keep improving, contribute back.

The vast majority of users are incapable of meaningfully contributing 
towards any software program (except of course with money). For example, 
I would love to add tons of comments to the code - but since I don't 
understand the code well, it is better for me not to document my 
inaccurate thoughts, and I certainly do not want to turn to the help 
manual to find someone's random opinion on how to accomplish some task. 
FOSS does not want to target the general non-passionate user. It wants 
to target tech-savvy, self-motivated, idealistic folks. You know, the 
kind of people who will seek out the information they want, not those 
who must have it flashed in front of their eyes.

I do want it to keep improving.  That's why I bring up this topic - 
because what I see is definitely not an end-user improvement and this is 
the only avenue remaining for me to positively contribute.

Justin


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