Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Certification and accreditation

On 10 April 2013 11:20, Charles-H. Schulz <
charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Le mercredi 10 avril 2013 à 11:11 +0100, Ian Lynch a écrit :
> > On 10 April 2013 09:07, Charles-H. Schulz
> > <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> >         Thanks Ian. At the risk of repeating myself this is a taks
> >         based mailing list for marketing and not a venue for
> >         advertisement.
> >
> > I'd have considered getting the brand out on certificates across eg
> > Kenya to be a directly relevant marketing task.
>
> No. It's about certification provided by your company. It is your
> business.  It's not LibreOffice marketing.

So you don't envisage any partnerships in your marketing strategy? If
Google, Novel or Red Hat offered to put links to LO on their  home pages
you would refuse? Best of luck then. For the record, we have not had any
demand and neither have we certificated anyone in LO user skills. Without
considerable effort on our part I don't see that changing. There probably
is a potential market and we offered help to Evans at no cost to him or the
community and with us taking all the risk. Obviously this is not going to
work if  we have to drag dinosaurs along at the same time. There are plenty
of much better ways for us to further FOSS with productive links where
there is trust, partnership and co-operative working. There is no shortage
of FOSS projects for us to support. I'd rather just get on with it than get
bogged down in politics.

>  Seems other community members, Evans, Tom and  Cor agree with that.
>
> Smart move: play one against the other. But they did not agree with what
> you implied. They merely responded.

Get real Charlie, I responded to them not the other way round. Go back and
look, I didn't start the thread. Your paranoia about me is getting to your
logical processes :-) I even gave Cor the link to see how the QA is put
together. You are free to copy anything on our community site - it's all CC
licensed. Only snag is you also need the expertise.

> I'm only responding to their posts with relevant and objective
> > information, I didn't initiate the thread. But as I said I haven't
> > time for petty squabbling so I have removed LO logo and references
> > from our site, you can check at https://theingots.org/community/home.
> > If you come across any you don't like anywhere I'm happy to remove
> > them. We have nothing to gain from publicising LO and if anything it
> > costs us in time and effort so it is far more sensible for me to put
> > time effort and resources into FOSS communities where I don't get
> > aggravation.
>
> Your decision. It obviously did not cost you that much.

I'm a busy person, every little bit is an opportunity cost. As you confirm
here it only takes one paranoid individual to convince me that it's not
worth any effort when the same effort will produce better results somewhere
else.


>         Let's close that thread now.

yes, let's ;-)



> > As far as I am concerned I only responded relevantly and in context
> > with information people might find useful. If this message closes the
> > thread its fine by me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Charles.
>
> >         Thanks,
> >
> >         Charles.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com> a écrit :
> >                 On 9 April 2013 20:29, Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl>
> wrote:
> >                         Ian Lynch wrote (09-04-13 12:44)
> >
> >                         A point to note is we don't do courses. We
> >                         quality assure the outcomes of
> >                                 courses.
> >
> >
> >                         Is the way you assure the quality of the
> >                         outcomes something that we can
> >                         learn from?
> >
> >
> >                 Possibly - it's agreed with the UK national regulators
> >                 through the
> >                 Regulatory Conditions. They are at
> >                 http://www.theingots.org/community/OfqualA
> >
> >                 Its a bit like an ISO 9000 system for Awarding
> >                 Organisations. In essence we
> >                 deal with centres - Schools, Colleges and Adult
> >                 Education orgs. We train
> >                 their staff as assessors and they sign professional
> >                 agreements on the web
> >                 site to uphold professional standards. We sample their
> >                 work and in some
> >                 cases use short on-line tests to verify standards. The
> >                 methods depend on
> >                 the risk presented by the qualification in terms of
> >                 the level and its
> >                 purpose. You can down load the handbook we use for
> >                 schools at
> >                 https://theingots.org/community/handbook2 Click here
> >                 in the first
> >                 paragraph. There is a model test in the book and some
> >                 explanation of the
> >                 assessment methods.
> >
> >                 This means we do not have a lot of content to change
> >                 and we leave
> >                                 the teaching to the institutions
> >                                 professional preferences.
> >
> >
> >                         The only things to up date are the Logo link
> >                         on the home page of the web
> >                                 site
> >
> >
> >                         Apart from what the board may decide, at least
> >                         the use of the logo without
> >                         TDF line is needed and is something you can do
> >                         without delay.
> >
> >
> >
> >                         and *if* it conforms with the TDF logo usage
> >                         policy to put the logo on
> >                                 any certificates issued to say this
> >                                 certificate was issued in the
> >                                 context of LO.
> >
> >
> >                         If any use of the LibreOffice logo is allowed,
> >                         then it should be in a way
> >                         that it makes clear that LibreOffice is
> >                         supported, and not that there is an
> >                         endorsement from TDF.
> >
> >
> >                 That really depends on a subjective judgement. Is
> >                 putting a logo on a
> >                 certificate claimin g endorsement or is it simply
> >                 saying this certificate
> >                 was achieved using that product? I can see it could be
> >                 interpreted either
> >                 way so before I did it I'd want specific authorisation
> >                 to do it. That would
> >                 apply to any software not just LO. I would not want to
> >                 start awarding
> >                 certificates and then find there was a problem some
> >                 time later. It's easy
> >                 to remove a logo from the web site, it is not so easy
> >                 to revoke
> >                 certificates. In fact we would also incur problems
> >                 with Ofqual so that
> >                 would be far too big a risk to the business overall to
> >                 chance it.
> >
> >                 PS we have a partner in the Netherlands called
> >                 Pro-work. We work with them
> >                 on EU projects.
> >
> >                 Cheers,
> >
> >                         --
> >                         - Cor
> >                         - http://nl.libreoffice.org
> >                         - www.librelex.org
>
> --
> Charles-H. Schulz
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> Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany
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