Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure

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As for instructions for installing on the three platforms, the DVD has 
PDF of the web site's instructions on how to do this.  It would take a 
booklet to do the instructions need to install the package for all the 
different ways it is done for each different platform.

On 05/21/2011 04:44 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Ooops, i should have read this first.  Please ignore the email i just sent!
>
> +1 to all that Webmaster from Kracked Press said.  Having a Windows-only Dvd/Cd
> that carefully avoids mentioning other platforms is smart.  Even a simple
> statement like "LibreOffice works on Windows and other platforms" can be scary
> and off-putting to many Windows users.
>
>
> If there is extra space then i tend to find that it makes burning the Dvd/Cd
> easier and less prone to errors.  If you really feel the need to fill any space
> you might still have then perhaps videos or documents from satisfied users, or
> examples of different types of completed documents.  Perhaps Windows installers
> for other OpenSource products (such as Firefox 4.0, Thunderbird, Gnumeric(?
> because it's a neat tiny space-filler), Vlc) with a disclaimer to say that no
> documentation or anything has been included on the Dvd/Cd for them but can be
> found on the internet.
Videos - when they become available that are "professional" looking for 
editing together views of personal and business users.

The DVDs I make for friends are usually stuffed full of EVERYTHING they 
will need, including Antivirus and Firewalls.

Firefox and Thunderbird are part of the DVD already.  FF4 is not, and 
for my part I do not like 4.0 over 3.x.  Since 4.0 just came out a few 
weeks[?] ago, it still not ready to be added.  I would rather add 4.1 
when it comes out.

VLC - standard for my personal DVD handouts to friends and their new 
computer needs.

> I find that people suddenly understand what Libreoffice is about when i simply
> say that LibreOffice is to MS Office what Firefox is to Internet Explorer.  It
> even helps explain the TDF-LO relationship because it's about the same as
> Mozilla-Firefox.  Firefox is a well-known success story so tying the LibreOffice
> name in with that would seem a smart manoeuvre.
Firefox 4.0 is looking more like IE than it did before.
> However, i think it's probably better to having a little empty space on the
> Dvd/Cd to allow people to add things for specific events if appropriate.  I've
> been to events that sent bulky papers in advance including maps and stuff and
> then arrived to be given  a bulky Welcome Pack.
If it was my choice, I would add a lot of stuff to the DVD.
GIMP and other image editors that I use instead of Draw.
Kompozer - web page editor
Security software
Audio and Video software
defrag software
and may other categories that are needed for setting up a new computer.
> Anyway, again just thoughts which you have doubtless already discussed
> yourselves.
> Good luck and regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions<webmaster@krackedpress.com>
> To: marketing@libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sat, 21 May, 2011 1:53:07
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
>
> On 05/20/2011 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> <snip>
> > Hi :)
> > Ok, i think the pamphlet has been ready for quite a long time now.  It's
> > getting
> > better but it already was good enough.  Do we need it to be perfect first
> time?
> > I don't believe there is any such thing as perfection.
> >
> >
> > I don't think we need instructions for all the different OSes, especially if
> > the
> > Dvd is the Windows-only version.  Windows users often need quite a lot of
> > hand-holding but often linux users are new to linux so they need help too as
> > they still have bad habits and mis-information left over from their Windows
> > days.  By contrast Bsd users are likely to already have a lot of unix based
> > experience and be fairly used to advanced ways of installing, such as
> compiling
> > from source.  We don't need to scare or confuse non-Bsd users by explaining
> > those, especially in a pamphlet for the Windows-only version.  It's enough
> just
> > to mention the platform.
> >
> >
> > Or, going the other way isn't it dangerous to mention non-Windows platforms?
> > Is
> > it wise to mention other platforms at all?
> >
> > Regards from
> > Devil's Advocate :)
> We started with the 3 platform DVD like the German's did with their initial
> woke.  But as things were being discussed about what extension, templates,
> samples, etc., should be removed or should be added, I started the process of
> removing all the non-Windows references from a copy of the DVD.  There were only
> 4[?] pages that needed editing and the rest were exactly the same as the 3
> platform version.  So I ended up doing the work on the Windows-only DVD.  I
> think it may need editing of my edits, but still it was a start while the
> extension and template pages were being worked on by others.
>
> At events where there are Linux and Mac users, having a 3 platform DVD is
> proper.  For those places that there are a lost of Windows users, having a
> Windows-only version can be helpful.  For those who are going to download an ISO
> file, and use only Windows, having a 1.4 GB download instead of a 3.2 GB is
> important.
>
> So for me, at an event table, it would be nice to have side-by-side both
> versions.  For those people that know about the other platforms, knowing that
> LibreOffice will work on all three major ones can be a selling point, since MSO
> works on Windows and maybe an after thought on making an older version work on
> MacOSX.  Forget Linux.  So if you have someone know that no matter what
> computers you use, you should be able to use LibreOffice on all of them.  Cross
> platform may be very important to them.  For people that do not know anything
> about Linux or Mac except the name, they may need to have a DVD that only has
> Windows references on it.  They might think cross platform is a good idea, but
> may not know what it really is or why it is needed since they have never used a
> non-Windows machine except for their smart phones or e-readers.
>
> To be honest, for may users, the more you tell them about how it works or other
> technical issues the more confused they can become.  Some will even avoid a
> product that may sound too technical to use or deal with.  A lot of Windows
> users can hardly install a simple package by double-clicking on the .exe file.
> I know many of these users.  Some do not even know how to browse through their
> hard drives to find a miss-filed document.  Some are stumped on how to do
> anything other than use the Internet browser, the email client, and maybe a
> simple word processor.  So we need to be able to have some document/pamphlet
> that work work for them.  But, the real users of LibreOffice should be those who
> know a thing or two about their computers or how to use them more than just
> email and web browsing.  So we need our main documentation to work for them.
>
> So, have the main Win/Linux/MacOSX DVD, the Windows-only DVD, and later maybe
> have a CD or DVD that is geared to the user that does not know how to do much of
> anything beyond the web.  But for now we have the first two, and that is all we
> really need.
>
> If you need a different platform, then you most likely know much more about
> using it than we would.
>
> If you need a very simple hand-holding install package, you most likely either
> not need LibreOffice or have someone that will do the install for you and teach
> you how to do anything you need to do.
>
> Actually, I kind of like HP's Linux driver system.  You run a .run file and ask
> a few Y/N questions, and then the script does all the downloading,
> compiling/making, and anything else that is needed to get the printers installed
> on your version of Linux.  I would hate to do all that myself via the terminal,
> even with detailed instructions.  It would be nice if all you had to do was run
> an .exe file to install any/all of you packages instead of having to use the
> terminal to type in commands for those packages that you cannot install by
> double-clicking on the .deb file.  But if it was easy as Windows, it may be as
> faulty/crash-y as Windows can be.
>
>
>
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