Topics (messages 1397 through 1414):
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [steering-discuss] poll on next confcall
1397 - Florian Effenberger <floeff@documentfoundation.org>
[libreoffice-marketing] LibO Mission Statement ? [was: Briefing]
1398 - Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
[libreoffice-marketing] LibO Mission Statement ? [was: Briefing]
1399 - Michael Wheatland <michael@wheatland.com.au>
[libreoffice-marketing] LibO Mission Statement ? [was: Briefing]
1400 - Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
[libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
1401 - Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
[libreoffice-marketing] La Mouette Association Blog re: TDF and LibreOffice
1402 - Sophie Gautier <gautier.sophie@gmail.com>
Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
1403 - Lucas Filho <lucascoe@yahoo.com.br>
Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
1404 - Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
[libreoffice-marketing] LibO Mission Statement ? [was: Briefing]
1405 - Michael Wheatland <michael@wheatland.com.au>
Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
1406 - Lucas Filho <lucascoe@yahoo.com.br>
1413 - Lucas Filho <lucascoe@yahoo.com.br>
Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
1407 - Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: La Mouette Association Blog re: TDF and LibreOffice
1408 - Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: CD/DVD distribution
1409 - Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Design] Design team needs and Drupal site development
1410 - Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>
[libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
1411 - Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl>
[libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
1412 - Bernhard Dippold <bernhard@familie-dippold.at>
[libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Academia
1414 - Jean-Baptiste Faure <jbf.faure@orange.fr>
Hi,
Florian Effenberger wrote on 2010-11-19 18.12:
we should host another marketing confcall this year, so I'd like to hear
your favorite date and time at
http://www.doodle.com/ffzxhxpmcthd5t53
a short reminder: Please cast your vote :-)
Florian
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Nobody's paying attention or perhaps there are no objections and no
additions to offer ... ;)
Anyway, slightly tweaked again version now lives at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission
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I strongly believe 'noodles' should be modified to 'starch based
boiled meal' which would reflect the multiculturalism of the community
(ie I prefer spaghetti) ;)
I strongly agree with all of these statements.
Maybe we should include something regarding equality across borders
and valuing others opinions?
Just an idea.
Michael Wheatland
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de> wrote:
Nobody's paying attention or perhaps there are no objections and no
additions to offer ... ;)
Anyway, slightly tweaked again version now lives at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission
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On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 20:37 +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote:
I strongly believe 'noodles' should be modified to 'starch based
boiled meal' which would reflect the multiculturalism of the community
(ie I prefer spaghetti) ;)
Done!
I strongly agree with all of these statements.
Maybe we should include something regarding equality across borders
and valuing others opinions?
Equality is tricky. I would hope that Tolerance and Meritocracy cover
the good part of it. This should include not caring about differences
that are outside the scope of the project. Equal access as a starting
point. But then we are not all equal and effort and skill have to make a
difference.
Likewise, the good part of valuing others opinions should be included
with "Respect for others and their work". As actually, not every opinion
should be valued, but every new opinion should be evaluated.
(Kidding, I just took the noodles out)
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Hi!
Already brought up on the design list, but as this sits well within the
overlap between marketing and (visual) design:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Visual_Identity_Briefing
This should be seen and evaluated in combination with
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission
The briefing walks right into analysis and conception territory. I think
it will be most useful as a shared starting point and measure, this way.
Much of it should be useful for the entire visual/graphic/communication
design.
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Hi all,
On 23/11/2010 12:39, Marc Paré wrote:
This note was posted on the user mailist:
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Bonsoir à toutes et à tous,
Je vous invite à lire le communiqué de la Mouette concernant l'arrivée
de la Document Fondation.
http://www.lamouette.org/
Cordialement,
Pour le bureau
Marie jo Kopp Castinel
Secrétaire de la Mouette
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The communiqué gives support to TDF and LibreOffice while still
supporting the OOo. Still a very kind gesture on their part. I suggested
in response that La Mouette Association add their name to the list of
TDF/LO supporters on the main site.
Maybe when Italo has time, he could send out a note to the association
thanking them on our part? Just a suggestion. Jean-Baptiste Faure, one
of the La Mouette founders, is on our French mailist.
No need for Italo to take this time, Charles has already done this and is discussing with them.
Jean-Baptiste as the lead of the FR OOo project is a member of La Mouette board, as is Gilles
Bignebat as co-lead.
kind regards
Sophie
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Hello Thorsten Wilms,
If I understand, we must create a new logo for the Libo that satisfies these
properties is that?
If yes, this goes to the graphics (drawing) and the fountain?
Thanks.
Até mais,
Lucas Filho
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De: Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
Para: "marketing@libreoffice.org" <marketing@libreoffice.org>
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 24 de Novembro de 2010 9:15:04
Assunto: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
Hi!
Already brought up on the design list, but as this sits well within the
overlap between marketing and (visual) design:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Visual_Identity_Briefing
This should be seen and evaluated in combination with
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission
The briefing walks right into analysis and conception territory. I think
it will be most useful as a shared starting point and measure, this way.
Much of it should be useful for the entire visual/graphic/communication
design.
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On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 04:30 -0800, Lucas Filho wrote:
If I understand, we must create a new logo for the Libo that satisfies these
properties is that?
If yes, this goes to the graphics (drawing) and the fountain?
What do you mean with "fountain"?
The task here is not the creation of the logo.
The task is the creation of the guidelines that will be used to create
the logo. Or that will at least be used to evaluate the current logo.
Hence, this includes marketing considerations.
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On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de> wrote:
(Kidding, I just took the noodles out)
I was looking forward to noodles :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAhLIlF0d0U
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Hello Thorsten Wilms,
When I wrote I refer to the source font.
So who might want to create a logo with the characteristics described in your
e-mail?
Até mais,
Lucas Filho
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De: Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
Para: marketing@libreoffice.org
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 24 de Novembro de 2010 9:49:32
Assunto: Re: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 04:30 -0800, Lucas Filho wrote:
If I understand, we must create a new logo for the Libo that satisfies these
properties is that?
If yes, this goes to the graphics (drawing) and the fountain?
What do you mean with "fountain"?
The task here is not the creation of the logo.
The task is the creation of the guidelines that will be used to create
the logo. Or that will at least be used to evaluate the current logo.
Hence, this includes marketing considerations.
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On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 05:11 -0800, Lucas Filho wrote:
So who might want to create a logo with the characteristics described in your
e-mail?
We will see, eventually. Why do you ask?
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Le 2010-11-24 07:15, Sophie Gautier a écrit :
Hi all,
On 23/11/2010 12:39, Marc Paré wrote:
This note was posted on the user mailist:
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Bonsoir à toutes et à tous,
Je vous invite à lire le communiqué de la Mouette concernant l'arrivée
de la Document Fondation.
http://www.lamouette.org/
Cordialement,
Pour le bureau
Marie jo Kopp Castinel
Secrétaire de la Mouette
==============
The communiqué gives support to TDF and LibreOffice while still
supporting the OOo. Still a very kind gesture on their part. I suggested
in response that La Mouette Association add their name to the list of
TDF/LO supporters on the main site.
Maybe when Italo has time, he could send out a note to the association
thanking them on our part? Just a suggestion. Jean-Baptiste Faure, one
of the La Mouette founders, is on our French mailist.
No need for Italo to take this time, Charles has already done this and
is discussing with them. Jean-Baptiste as the lead of the FR OOo project
is a member of La Mouette board, as is Gilles Bignebat as co-lead.
kind regards
Sophie
Merci
Marc
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Just a note re: this short discussion from the discuss mailist. We may want to list this some
where on the LO site once we are organised.
Marc
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Le 2010-11-24 08:58, Friedrich Strohmaier a écrit :
Hi Marc, *,
Marc Paré schrieb:
Le 2010-11-23 19:20, Bernhard Dippold a écrit :
[...]
There is already a team working on a downloadable ISO for a DVD
containing not only the product, but documentation and other
resources too.
They started in the Germanophone OOo community as "PrOOo-Box"
(http://www.prooo-box.org) and continue their work for LibreOffice -
starting from the German version, but will work on an international
level too:
http://www.libreofficebox.org/
Best regards
Bernhard
Thanks for the link Bernhard. Is this group listed anywhere on the OOo
website?
Yes, but only in german NL part:
http://de.openoffice.org/downloads/download.html?version=3.2.1
http://de.openoffice.org/downloads/cd.html
may be jump in points for in any manner german capable interested
people.
Where do you think that we would list it on our LibreOffice.org site?
This is great!
We're alive and have already released a first beta with LibO-beta2 to
grab here (german, Bittorrent only):
http://torrent.projects.ooodev.org:6969/torrents/LibreOffice_3.3.0-1_DVD_snapshot-20101112-22.25.13_libreoffice-box_allplatforms_libreofice-box_de.iso.torrent?info_hash=47dd3235a48b67860fe91b44ea7e0b83f925796f
but we need some time to come up with offers for hands willing to help.
We recently changed contents from hand coding to CMS (Silverstripe -
thanks Christian!), will change the machine soon and move to tdf
infrastucture and are therefore busy with setting up things.
We'll come back here, but as far as I see, we pretty unlikely will
succeed to manage releasing an international (english) version of the
first stable LibO in time.
Gruß/regards
Thanks Friedrich
Could you make an announcement when you are up and running on this list or even better on the
marketing mailist? I think it would be interesting for everyone to know about your work.
I will just post this short discussion on the marketing list so that the marketing team can refer
to it later.
Thanks again.
Marc
Marketing Team member
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Hi Italo,
I feel a need to second your statements ;-)
Am Sonntag, den 21.11.2010, 12:02 +0100 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
We cannot decide where people will navigate, and which information
they will access from which web site. Of course, we will cross
reference the two web sites, but I think that the TDF web site should
be more like a corporate web site (foundation documents, press
releases, developers stuff, etcetera) and LibO web site should be the
product web site (downloads, product backgrounds, etcetera).
Yep.
Users will navigate according to what they are looking for, most of
the times through search engines but this does not guarantee that they
will follow the patterns we decide (actually, they will never follow
these patterns).
Agreed. And, let's say, that we might not have the chance to develop
such patterns with some non-community users (maybe we do have, but here
we need someone who is experienced with some usability methods like
card-sorting and such stuff). But, I suggested website analytics, so we
can improve the page continuously.
The web site is not intended to please the people who belong to the
community, but to attract new people (new community members, and new
software users) and to communicate with stakeholders (individuals and
companies/organizations interested in dealing with TDF or covering TDF
in the press or in a blog).
In general, a "+1" for targeting those "external stakeholders".
Nevertheless, I do also think that we can come up with something that
helps to make a link to the work of the community ... but as you already
mentioned, maybe this is already included in your "new community
members".
Cheers,
Christoph
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Hi Thorsten,
Thorsten Wilms wrote (24-11-10 13:15)
Already brought up on the design list, but as this sits well within the
overlap between marketing and (visual) design:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Visual_Identity_Briefing
This should be seen and evaluated in combination with
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission
I understand and appreciate that you look to the mission statement too, when thinking about the
logo, but - unless I really missed it ;-) - I do not remember a request from the steering
committee to change our mission statement.
So as long as you use your mission discussion for inspiration, I think it is great. But if you
expect a sudden place on http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ , that might be different.
And apologies that I will not be very active in the discussion itself. Just a matter of hard
choices I have to make.
Kind regards,
Cor
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Hi Cor,
Cor Nouws schrieb:
Hi Thorsten,
Thorsten Wilms wrote (24-11-10 13:15)
Already brought up on the design list, but as this sits well within the
overlap between marketing and (visual) design:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Visual_Identity_Briefing
This should be seen and evaluated in combination with
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mission
I understand and appreciate that you look to the mission statement too,
when thinking about the logo, but - unless I really missed it ;-) - I do
not remember a request from the steering committee to change our mission
statement.
So as long as you use your mission discussion for inspiration, I think
it is great. But if you expect a sudden place on
http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ , that might be different.
If I understand Thorsten right, his aim is not the TDF mission statement you link to, but the
LibreOffice community mission statement.
On the TDF page the mission is stated as "to facilitate the evolution of the [...] community into
a new structure ... and co-ordinate activity across the community."
This is about the way TDF supports LibreOffice.
But our goals as community have not been defined by now - we just inherited them from OOo.
So it's a very valid point to brainstorm about our goals and the way we want to go as community -
Thorsten didn't only ask for feedback with regards to the logo, but also for the general mission
statement: <http://go.mail-archive.com/Lm1yAxgSTOR8zMrKlScWPTEp4vo=>
I'm very sorry, that I can't take part in this discussion more intensively, but there are other
tasks with deadline (LibO 3.3 release) I think to be more important at the moment.
I'm sure even more community members will take part in this discussion, once the first stable
release of LibO is ready...
Best regards
Bernhard
And apologies that I will not be very active in the discussion itself.
Just a matter of hard choices I have to make.
Kind regards,
Cor
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Hello,
I think that google was not happy in my translation: (
The truth: I already then create a logo with the features that are in your
email?
Até mais,
Lucas Filho
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De: Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@freenet.de>
Para: marketing@libreoffice.org
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 24 de Novembro de 2010 11:17:00
Assunto: Re: Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo Briefing
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 05:11 -0800, Lucas Filho wrote:
So who might want to create a logo with the characteristics described in your
e-mail?
We will see, eventually. Why do you ask?
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Le 23/11/2010 15:18, Marc Paré a écrit :
***** I am just re-posting this note from Benoit so that we can keep
all of this information under one heading for later use. I am hoping
to suggest improvement to the suite. No need to reply to this. *****
Le 2010-10-25 14:28, Benoît Majerus a écrit :
Joining the discussion on zotero.
In my university (Free University Brussels) most of the researcher in
humanities are using Zotero and we are all stuck to OpenOffice as
long as
their is no (easy to use) LibreOffice plugin.
Best
Benoît
Ok, but those having difficulties in using Zotero in LibreOffice should
ask for help on LibO users mailing list instead of saying it doesn't
work : Zotero addon works well if you tell him where to find LibO
executables.
Best regards
JBF
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