[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Can we put marketing titles under our names?

Hi Marc, all,

Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2010-10-31 07:44, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > While there might be a need for MarCons in a near future,
> > there will be no titles issued for marketing until we have sorted the
> > structure, the membership process and the governance of the Foundation
> > and the LibreOffice project.

I think it's accepted by everybody here, that only after establishing such 
a structure there will be community members able to speak on behalf of the community.

Speaking on behalf of the foundation is already clear: The steering committee can 
determine their speakers until the final structure has been established there too.
> > Le Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:43:11 +0200,
> > Andrea Pescetti<pescetti@openoffice.org>  a écrit :
> >
> > > Anthony Papillion wrote:
> > > > Titles come in very handy, even if only
> > > > serving to cue the person that you are acting on behalf of an
> > > > established organization and not just yourself.

You can only act on behalf of an organization if you have been approved by them.
> > > Well, we should probably distinguish between the internal and
> > > external communication. 
> > > ... in external communication or important mailing list I use them [titles]
> > > just to give a hint that e.g., if suggesting a blocker issue, we have
> > > already discussed and confirmed it within the Italian community.

As you have been approved by the Italian OOo community, this was the right way to go.
> > > ...I would find it useful that people authorized to
> > > speak on behalf of the Document Foundation provide a hint somewhere
> > > in their messages, so that we can judge their words accordingly.

+1 (especially for new list members)
> >
>
> Just to be clear about this, I (for example) am not looking for a title 
> to fit in a hierarchical way with the Foundation or LibO. What I am 
> looking for is a simple title such as "LibO Marketing Team Member" where 
> if I were to write to an organization, it would identify me, is 
> traceable through these mailist as being an active member and 
> justifiable as a representative of the group. [...]}
I always wanted to differ between representative positions and project 
members in OOo and I'm glad you share my position here, Marc.

But in this case it is necessary that the "team members" can't be mistaken as 
representatives - not even for the group, until the group authorizes someone to 
speak for them.

In our situation this is still different I think: Even "Marketing Team Member" is a
role different from "user" and "mailing list reader".

There is a thread about "membership" on discuss@documentfoundation.org and 
a wiki page about that topic:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership

> Just in case that I had not made this evident in my previous posts. I do 
> still hope to write/call some Canadian organisations in the hope of 
> organising the Canadian Marketing section of LibO but having an 
> identifying title would help.

In your case I think everybody agrees to state that you have already contibuted to 
our project in a very substancial way. So I for one would call you "Marketing Team 
Member" and allow you to use this title in communication with other organizations.
This title should be able to add at your signature and on business cards we'll have
to design, so they represent our branding.

To avoid misunderstandings, I'd like to add another line to the signature or
business card:  "If you want to contact an offifcial spokesperson of the community 
behind LibreOffice, please contact info@documentfoundation."

That's just my personal opinion, but we can raise this question to the steering 
committee, if we can agree on a common approach.

Best regards

Bernhard




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