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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Education (JK-High School and NOT post grad. university/college)

On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 10:26:10 Drew Campbell wrote:
> Our company (The Top Floor) serves 45% of the school districts in Vermont.
> Over the past few years we've found a very large number of these schools
> moving to OpenOffice with great success...
> However the trend is turning...Schools in Vermont are now moving to Google
> Apps at a very rapid pace. The challenge to marketing LibreOffice here
> will be less about support, etc, but more about competition with Google
> Apps for Education.
> Of course there are advantages and drawbacks to both LibreOffice and Google
> Apps, and perhaps a mix of the two is the best solution for some
> schools...Has anyone written about how LibO is either superior to or
> complimentary to Google Apps?
> Thanks,
> ~Drew

In fact there is an extension: Gdocs that integrates OOo/LibO with zoho and
Google docs


It has the advantage of being able to be used when connection is not available


> Drew Campbell - Drew@TheTopFloor.com
> The Top Floor - Business Computer Solutions
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Paré [mailto:marc@marcpare.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:08 AM
> To: marketing@libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Education (JK-High School and
> NOT post grad. university/college)
> Merci Michel for your note:
> Le 2010-10-18 10:43, Michel Gagnon a écrit :
> > I am neither student nor teacher, but I have to offer support to my
> > daughter and her friends. I find that OpenOffice (and most likely
> > LibreOffice has a few problems to solve before it penetrates the market.
> > What are the main problems that need to be addressed?
> >
> > - College, universities and large high schools have some IT personnel,
> > but smaller high schools and elementary schools don't have any. They
> > will get support from the school board for computers used in
> > administration... and they will get wiring for computers used in the
> > classroom. So it needs to be plug and play.
> I am involved in committee work (teacher side) and meet regularly with
> school board IT. I am not sure if is is different in Quebec, Canad, but
> in Ontario the IT departments in our school boards are pretty well
> modelled on the IT department found at most universities. The school
> board IT departments are naturally smaller by comparison, however they
> do have divisions/specialists such as: network specialist; webmaster;
> help desk; hardware specialist/repairs; software repairs. As an example,
> my school board has over 10,000 computers servicing over 100,000 users
> and we have: 2 network specialists; 1 active help desk; 2 software
> specialists; 1 hardware specialist (with summer hired help) (I know this
> is definitely not enough); 1 webmaster (school board has a website and
> ALL schools have a website); 1 teacher-IT specialist for software
> research/usage of elementary/high school software use/adoption.
> > - Computers used by students typically have the software they were
> > bought with. Until the personnel who prepares the documentation for
> > tenders write that they ask for a computer with Windows and a free
> > Office suite, computers will continue to be stocked with Microsoft
> > Office. So these administrators are the first people we need to address.
> Again, in Ontario, the system is a tendered system, Novell has deep
> penetration for networking solution in school boards in Ontario. MS
> products are installed with a cost/seat charge. Software is usually
> chosen from a Ontario government approved list:
> http://www.osapac.org/cms/ where IT and teachers coordinate the list of
> license purchases.
> Ontario school board then tailor their purchases according to this list.
> BTW ... in Ontario, this is the group that LibO would have to target in
> advertising. They already have StarOffice on their list.
> > - Installation has to be simpler. One just have to look at the tutorial
> > on "how to install -- or upgrade -- OpenOffice on a Windows platform" to
> > be totally discouraged about the process. And the French version is even
> > worst than the English one (as in more steps to go through).
> > Fortunately, I did not read the tutorials before, installed the usual
> > way (double click), and things went well.
> >
> > - In the same line, installation needs to be closer to the so-called
> > "silent install" that can be done with some know how. The way it should
> > work: Double-click and it automatically creates its temporary folder and
> > installs itself; registration should disappear. Why not replace that
> > with a link to the help forums in the "?" menu?
> The LibO suite is still in beta and I hope that the install process will
> be as streamlined as OpenOffice. There have been discussions on the
> discuss mailist about this. Just search for this thread: Survey|Opinion
> - LibreOffice Install and Update and add your opinion. It will count!
> > - Whatever may be said - in theory - about the beauty of open formats,
> > Microsoft Office 2003 formats have become the de facto standard.
> > Students need to be able to prepare a homework, send a resume or show a
> > presentation saved in one of these formats without any loss of data or
> > presentation.
> Some school boards in the US are already accepting OASIS formats from
> their students. An example is here:
> http://www.doe.in.gov/olt/InACCESS/index.html.
> It is imperative that the LibO partner with the OASIS group in
> advertising the benefits of an ISO convention format. We need to target
> the right organizations and I think we can hold up the example of the
> "Indiana Department of Education" as a shining example of this success.
> Maybe we should invite them to speak to us on this discussion list.
> > - Pricewise, OpenOffice and LibreOffice are cheaper (obviously), but not
> > that cheap when we consider that Microsoft makes its Home and Student
> > version fairly affordable.
> Yes, however, the Home/Student versions are crippled versions of their
> full-blown product line. The also advertise the fact that their
> Home/Student users should consider upgrading to the full-blown product
> when they need more functionality. LibO is full blown. Maybe a
> theme-able student menu could be offered to those who want fewer options
> in the menu line?
> > - Finally, the Windows platform has often been an orphan of OpenOffice,
> > and now LibreOffice. For instance, I haven't installed the new
> > LibreOffice because it removes my working installation of OpenOffice 3.2
> > and because there is no French language pack. I don't care that much for
> > menus in French, but my daughters do, and I really want a French
> > dictionnary. I hope the upcoming Beta 3 will solve these shortcomings.
> Yes, the LibO is still Beta and the devs (developers) will address these
> issues in time.
> Cheers
> Marc

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