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Hello Ian,

Le 28/08/2011 12:30, Ian Lynch a écrit :
First let's be clear that there is a whole range of different types of
certification. Certifying trainers or organisatons is not the same as
certifying end-users or developers or the quality of a product. In about 3
weeks time I travel with Manfred Reiter and Alexandro Colorado to Ecuador to
train trainers for certification for end users in schools
across Panama, Columbia, Ecuador and Peru. This is because the client
specifically asked for certification but I suspect that is
probably more a brand knowledge issue than related to the specific software
that they use. I would like to suggest to them that if they achieve a
certificate with we put the OOo logo on the certificate (we
already got clearance for this from Oracle) and if with LibreOffice, the
LibO logo. Alexandro got the client originally through the OOo certification
project but I think there is no wish to do anything but share benefits
fairly. Really it needs to be the client's decision.  We will be putting the
OOo name and logo on the handbook and again we could do that for LibO too
but the handbook will be printed soon so we need to know quite soon if that
is OK with the LO community. The idea is that we can give back a donation to
either project based on the number of certificates issued.

Who would be in charge of checking the number of certificates?

We can just go ahead with OOo as the differences from an end-user
perspective are negligible,

... for now :)

but IMHO that misses a marketing opportunity for
LibO and I think we should be even-handed and inform people of the
differences so they can decide if that results in a preference as to the
software they use. Again informed choice is the objective. The training
provider we are going to train has 1575 centres but to start with we will be
providing for a small number then building.

This somewhat sounds like the TDF certification, but I might be
mistaken. The certification programme is currently being built as you know.

This is just one provider and we
have plans to extend to others. It's taken us about 5 years of development
to get to this point and probably ~ 2 million Euros of investment so if you
don't have experience of certification in general, don't assume it is
trivially simple to do ;-).

No one does here, I think. It is crucially important to get it right for
TDF, but we also want to do this on our own terms.

At this stage the certification is for end-users and conforms to the UK
regulatory requirements for competence based vocational qualifications and
is referenced to the EU Qualifications Framework, the biggest reference
system for national qualifications frameworks in the world. 

I may not fully understand what kind of certification you're talking
about. Now we're talking about end-users but I did perceive in your
comments above that this is also about "training the trainers", isn't it?

It is not
possible to get public funding for training courses in many countries if
qualifications are not referenced to the national system so apart from
credible quality assurance, there are financial practical reasons for
gaining official accreditation.

So my question is whether the community would like us to help promote LibO
through this initiative? With the ASF there is a method of "lazy consensus"
ie if you make a proposal and no-one objects after a period it is deemed to
be accepted. Here I think I need some +1s from TDF members at least. If not
I'll assume it's not what is wanted and just focus on the certification as
OOo specific.

We are in the process of developing our own certification. I would
suggest that if you wish to receive a clear answer you post your
specific request to the steering-discuss@ list.


The specific proposal is to use the LibO logo on end user certificates and
the name and logo on the handbook with full acknowledgement of trade marks
etc. There will be a payment back to the community for each certificate
issued carrying a LibO logo - I can't be precise at the moment as we are
still working out costs but it is likely to be around 50 cents to a dollar
per certificate. We are trying to keep costs down to get maximum reach to
less economically risk nations. High volume will make the marketing
dimension more effective.

On 28 August 2011 05:44, Danishka Navin <> wrote:

" Organizations will earn a certified status if they employ or contract at
least 3 certified individuals, each one with a different specialization. "

in addition to the above technical requirement we could set a fee to get a
training partnership from TDF.
As we know local trainers can get the advantage of TDF and Libo brand name.
So, we could set an annual fee for each partner and discounts as per the
volume of products (trainings) selling.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Danishka Navin <>

What is the latest status on this project?

Can we commence this soon?
I can see a potential from my community as well.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Italo Vignoli <

The document is on the wiki.


This might become a huge project, and a new business model for free
software on the desktop. A challenge for the entire community, and one
the reasons for having an independent foundation and not a house for the

Contents are not confidential, of course, as otherwise they would not be
on the wiki, but it must be clear that this is going to become a real
project after a long incubation.

Everyone is warmly invited to comment and provide suggestions.

Ciao, Italo

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