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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Bernhard Dippold <> wrote:

Hi James, Danishka, all

James Walker schrieb:

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Danishka Navin<>  wrote:

In my opinion I think that we should really leave it up to the
marketing teams to do this for their area.  It would be easier to manage
then the items sold could be better customized to their market.

you meant local communities will produce Tshirts and send their funds
to TDF ?

I don't think it as a good solution, but it is the best solution if we
not working for fund raising with Tshirts.

I don't think that it is necessary that all stores have to be led by TDF

In my eyes local stores make sense by avoiding customs, reducing transport
fees and delivery times.

Probably we (the community led by the Steering Committee) will have to
define which way to go:

a) one centralized store

b) one central organization with different local stores

c) officially approved local stores (one for each region)

d) officially approved local stores (no restriction by region)
  like the distributor network on OOo

e) stores without direct connection to the community / TDF

With us having marketing broken down into regions, or languages, I think
would be easier for each language group or marketing area to do there own
thing.  Just like there are places in the US that make the items and
shipping and everything else for you, I am sure there is in other
as well.  It would be really confusing I think to attempt a global store.

I also am not sure what selling stuff under TDF would do for the
aspect of the foundation.

What I see is the US/CAN marketing teams setting up a place and then
directing people to that site when they are out promoting LibreOffice.
all the money that is generated from their store could go towards more
Marketing in the area.  I think seperating the funds like that would work
just fine.

I am going to end here for now, as I feel like I am rambling.

Not at all - this is a topic we should discuss and decide, at it is a good
opportunity to raise money.

What I want to avoid is companies paying money to become the official LibO
store - avoiding concurrent stores until the next one pays more money.

Even if this might bring us the most money, it might not be the best
situation for our users / customers and doesn't fit to my understanding of
free and open.

My preference is option d)

Stores have to ask permission to be mentioned on our website.

We provide officially approved designs for them to sell (or we accept their
design proposals - under free license - as part of our official visual

They can add a button/banner "Officially approved LibreOffice store".

They donate a certain percentage to TDF.

Best regards


Personally,   I am looking into setting up something for the US/Can
Marketing teams, where most of the money raised will go back into marketing
efforts in the US/Can. I am sure we will have a little bit of overhead to
maybe have someone take care of all the paperwork, and make sure all the
orders make it to the person they are supposed to.

I am still looking into the idea of the T-shirts that we discussed before,
if someone would like to purpose artwork for say the front pocket of the
T-shirt, and maybe a design for the back that would help.  We could then
vote on it, then I will make a list of all those interested in ordering and
then see how much per T-shirt I can get them made. We have some very good
quality T-shirts made for work every year.  These are used in a shop
enviroment and they last most of the guys a couple of years when we order 5
or so a piece.

James Walker

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