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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New XHP editor online for testing and feedback


Hello Olivier et. al.,

will the editor in any way change underlying string/text
non-changed-with-editing code (i.e. if a small edit of one word is
performed, does the whole chunk of help page save/change (regarding also
xml checks and corrections and beautification?).

Did you try any tests, how many fuzzy strings does a small edit of one word
on an average hep page in English cause in git/po files? I am just worried
that this might cause a lot of fuzzy (not fully translated) strings in l10n
projects and a lot of collateral damage for l10n teams. But I might just be
too much worried.

Thanks, m.

V V pon., 14. jan. 2019 ob 12:43 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hi Help Authors, L10n Translators and developers
>
> Following Mike's announcement, I have improved and fixed a bit the XHP
> editor, and changed the page address (*) (apologies)
>
> The editor is still work in progress, but starts to become interesting
> for creating and editing Help pages.
>
> What's new
>
> ----------
>
> + Mike's implementation of the autocompletion of XHP tags
>
> + The left and right panes are now fixed in browser screen and scrollable
>
> + The right pane uses 99% of the current Help transformation rendering,
> plus
>
> + some visual debug information left intentionally to help Author in
> adjusting <embed>s, <link>s and <image>s
>
> + You can now open a Help page directly from the interface. The help
> page is normally
>
> source/text/<module>/AAA/BBB/myHelpPage.xhp
>
> Type <module>/AAA/BBB/myHelpPage.xhp in the text box and click "Open
> File" to load in the editor
>
> Press "Render page" to see it on the right.
>
> + A set of buttons with XHP snippets to shorten editing workload:
>
> - For paragraphs, notes, headings, emph, menuitems, etc... select the
> raw text or contents and click the corresponding button. The raw text
> will be wrapped with the opening and closing tag. For paragraph-like
> contents, an unique id will be created automatically.
>
> - Other snippets builds fragments of XHP tags, such as tables, tablerow,
> lists, sections, and more, including the
>
> - just play with and do not forget to render the page on the right.
>
> Restrictions
>
> -------------
>
> + The editor works with Firefox only. Issues with Chrome and Edge. Other
> browsers not yet tested.
>
> + saving files not implemented. However you can copy the editor contents
> and finish the patch in you preferred editor
>
> + More XHP checking are under development, specially id's unicity and
> DTD checking
>
> + If you get a blank page on the right, this is because you hit a bug in
> the browser transformation. Unfortunately debugging the browser
> transformation is very hard, support is almost none. We will have to
> address these issues.
>
>
> Invitation for developers and testers
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> You are invited to test the editor and report bugs and suggest
> improvements.
>
> The user interface is simple HTML and Javascript. If you have skills in
> these technologies you are a potential developer for the editor, but we
> know that PHP will be the right tech choice in near future.
>
> The source code is in the dev-tool repository. To clone the dev-tool
> repository :
>
> git clone https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/dev-tools dev-tools
>
> The editor is in dev-tools/help3/html/
>
> If you have a web server working in your computer (Apache, Nginx, etc...)
> you can run the editor locally:
>
> create a link between the web server root and the editor. For example,
> under Debian-like Linux:
>
> sudo cd /var/www/html
> sudo ln -s help-editor <path>/dev-tools/help3/html
>
> and point your browser to
>
> http://localhost/help-editor
>
> Seeking Help and discussion on the editor
> -----------------------------------------
>
> + Please use this list, the developer list and our IRC channels to get in
> touch with the development of the editor.
>
> Kind regards
>
> (*) https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
>
> Olivier
>
> Em 04/01/2019 08:39, Mike Saunders escreveu:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Olivier and I have been working on a new XHP editor, to simplify the
> > editing of help documentation. The goals of this editor are:
> >
> > * Ease of use -- with syntax highlighting and autocompletion
> > * Web-based -- so it can be used immediately
> > * Integrated -- into the Gerrit/Git workflow
> >
> > We're still working on that final point, but for now, you can try the
> > editor here:
> >
> > https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/new_help_editor/index.html
> >
> > To test the autocompletion, start with a blank document and type a "<"
> > character. You'll see that "helpdocument" is suggested as a top-level
> > tag. Hit enter to complete it, then add ">".
> >
> > Now go to another line and add "<" again, and you'll see child tags
> > suggested: "meta" and "body". You can also close the "helpdocument" tag.
> > For some tags that have parameters, the editor will show them as well.
> >
> > Underneath, you see various buttons: undo/redo, starting a new document
> > (with the basic structure), and various tags/sections. Rendering on the
> > right-hand pane doesn't work yet, but Olivier is looking at that.
> >
> > Anyway, play around with it, see what you think, and if you want the
> > full code to test changes, Olivier can show you how to get it!
> >
> --
> Olivier Hallot
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