Re: [libreoffice-l10n] AND-, OR-, XOR-operators in Help

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Sveinn í Felli <sv1@fellsnet.is> wrote:
> Þann mið 30.ágú 2017 09:14, skrifaði Martin Srebotnjak:
> > So, these changes will make 100+ l10n teams to re-translate/check those
> > touched strings, yes?
>
>
> Well, these have been brewing for some time; think we have to live with
> that. But of course we should make noise if there is a bunch of such
> 'cosmetic' modifications, all at once.
> Meanwhile, we could think seriously about why the help/docs markup is so
> complex (instead of being more CSS-like?) and why there's so little
> separation of content and formatting - and what can be done???

I would also add why strings have so many tags when the only
translatable content is outside of the tags or in a single place in
the string, like:

<image src="cmd/sc_compilebasic.png" id="img_id3147576"><alt
id="alt_id3147576">Icon</alt></image>

We have tons of strings like this where the only translatable content
is "Icon". Luckily the translation for my language is quite similar so
with a keystroke and two mouse clicks I can quickly translate those,
but having to do it more than a hundred times is quite annoying since
all these could be just simplified to something like:

<placeholder>Icon</placeholder>

Or even better just:

Icon

Even if it is a massive effort and having in mind that it will require
retranslating thousands of strings I fully support simplifying the
strings using placeholders and removing any styling from the string if
possible. This should:

- reduce the number of strings,
- shorten the strings thus,
  - making it easier to translate,
  - making it faster to translate,
- reduce the possibility of typing mistakes,
- allow to increase use of translation memory.

IMHO these are big upsides making it worth the change.


Regards


> Best regards,
> Sveinn
>
>
> > 30. avg. 2017 10:30 AM je oseba "Sveinn í Felli" <sv1@fellsnet.is>
> > napisala:
> >
> > > The AND-, OR-, XOR-operators are only a handful, anyways I translated
> > > mine
> > > capitalized as they should have been.
> > > But many strings already became (unnecessarily) fuzzy:
> > >
> > > Choose <emph><switchinline select="sys"><caseinline
> > > select="MAC">%PRODUCTNAME - Preferences</caseinline><defaultinline>Tools
> > > - Options</defaultinline></switchinline> - %PRODUCTNAME - Print</emph>.
> > >
> > > has become:
> > >
> > > Choose <switchinline select="sys"><caseinline
> > > select="MAC"><emph>%PRODUCTNAME -
> > > Preferences</emph></caseinline><defaultinline><emph>Tools
> > > - Options</emph></defaultinline></switchinline><emph> - $[officename] -
> > > Print</emph>.
> > >
> > > You see that the enclosing <emph> tag became nested for each string
> > > snippet. These are symptoms of a new editor or something different in how
> > > the markup is applied - and a very unfriendly burden on
> > > translators/proofreaders. The latter is also bloating the codebase.
> > > But are these things avoidable?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Sveinn
> > >
> > > Þann mið 30.ágú 2017 07:18, skrifaði Martin Srebotnjak:
> > >
> > > > Will this patch render all these string as fuzzy for l10n teams?
> > > > Lp, m.
> > > >
> > > > 30. avg. 2017 01:11 je oseba "Adolfo Jayme Barrientos" <
> > > > fito@libreoffice.org>
> > > > napisala:
> > > >
> > > > … and the fix is now merged for 6.0:
> > > > > https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/help/commit/?id=
> > > > > ba1b065b296a1fce482bb3ebfa2fc8b765b45456
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Sveinn and Olivier!
> > > > >
> > > > > Adolfo
> > > > >
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