Re: [libreoffice-l10n] QA and Native language communities

2012/8/11 Sophie Gautier <gautier.sophie@gmail.com>

> Hi Valter, all,
>
> I'm opening a new thread reflecting better (I hope :) the discussion.

Hi Sophie,

sorry for the delay.



> [...]
>
> > Ok, I used Litmus once and this is my point of view.
> >
> > - I think we need a (monthly) reminder and a QA mailing list to which
> > forward / send opinions and tests (I remember OpenOffice had)
>
> Would you agree to use the projects@ list? There is actually a QA list
> but I think that it would be better to stay focused on the manual and l10n
> tests on a separate list. But well, this is my opinion, I don't know what
> others think about it?
I agree. Either projects@ or qa@ list is good, perhaps better with
libreoffice domain and not freedesktop. Maybe somebody may want, or it is
necessary to have, a local mailing list (something like qa-xx@, xx=language
code), in this case more admins are needed :) to follow the list



> > - A page on the wiki is also necessary, in order to facilitate
> > registration / access / login to the test system
>
> There is a page here:
> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Litmus<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus>
> and for the user
> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Litmus/**Litmus_User_Guide<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus/Litmus_User_Guide>
> What do you think is missing/should be improved to be more welcome or
> understandable?
No, the only thing to do is to localize the page and I'll ask on our list
to do so. Maybe we can move/clone these litmus pages inside the Libreoffice
site (well visible in the QA section)


> > - it is also very important to "localize" the test system, if not
> > already yet, to let local non-English users perform correctly the test
>
> yes, this is a very important point to my eyes too. Litmus is old and not
> maintained anymore so we have investigated (well I didn't follow what
> happened in fact) another tool named MozTrap which is currently developed
> by the Mozilla foundation for their own QA. See here for some explanations :
> https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/QA/**Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_*
> *Regression_Test<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test>
I gave a look to MozTrap and seems to be a valid alternative. Same story:
everything must be localized, both app and test case. For test case
translations, I think there will be no problems to upload everything in
Pootle and make it part of the translation process. After having made the
first translation effort, the other ones should be easier.


> > - Wiki shoukd be localized
>
> yes, the purpose is to have a complete environment in our own language
> that will help new comers to feel at home and those able to mentors them
> too.
>
> > - QA mail list is very important to give it the importance it needs
> > (till now it seems to have been considered a second-order item of the
> > project, if I can say so), and to collect people for the purpose.
> As you see since the beginning of this discussion, the difficulty I meet
> is to be able to speak and go further with those who are in contact with
> potential contributors in the language communities. I started on this list
> but wanted also to ask on the website list for webmasters help.

Well, localization leaders/main contributors already read this list... :)



> @all: if you have any idea on how we could organize a communication
> directed to those contributors, please don't hesitate to give me your
> feedback and your ideas.
One thing we could do is, if you prepare a reminder message in English, we
can translate it so that you can append translations and send it the local
lists. A short reminder message, I mean, something like:

******
LibreOffice version XXXX is approaching, and needs your important help.

For those people interested in Quality Assurance and Test Case
contribution, please
download the latest RC version here: [address], install it, then

- login and perform Test Case in Litmus/MozTrap: [address]

Thank you for help the community!
*******

A little incentive for the (best?) contributors could be some gadget: a
branded pen, t-shirt, mug, sticks or something like that.

Another way to involve people could be the creation of LoCo Teams, as
Ubuntu does: http://loco.ubuntu.com/

Ciao!

-- 
Valter
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