Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Wikihelp: Uploaded translations

Hi,



On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Martin Srebotnjak <miles@filmsi.net> wrote:

> Hello, Jan,
>
> 2011/1/21 Jan Holesovsky <kendy@suse.cz>
>
> > Yesterday I have uploaded the wikihelp translations to
> > http://help.libreoffice.org ,  so far for the following languages:
> >
> > en, ca, cs, de, es, fr, hu, it, ja, pt, pt-BR, ru, sl, vi
> >
> > Please let me know if your language's help is translated, and you want
> > to see it in wikihelp :-)

If I'm wright, this refers to the translations done for Ooo.
If that's so, *eu *help is already translated, and I guess it would be great
to put it online.
You can just take it from Ooo and put it in help.libreoffice.org , wright?



> Great, it looks it is working for sl.
>
> But - "ah there's the rub" (to quote the Prince of Denmark) - the page
> around it is in English even when English is not selected (the title/logo
> of
> the page remains "LibreOffice Help" - it is rendered so it should be
> rendered in all help languages, the navigation links are all English (Main
> Page, Community Portal,  etc.).
>
> I guess the direct link to that language version should open the page also
> in the same wiki-language, i.e. Hungarian help in the wiki should be
> displayed with the Hungarian wiki-interface etc. Could this be done?
> I guess this should be default actions for all the wiki top page links to
> same pages translated in other languages (why would one want to see the
> page
> in one's native language and have all the wiki navigation links and the
> logo
> in English?).
>
>
> > From now on, the pages have the language choice at the top; if not, it
> > is necessary to clear the wiki's cache using action=purge for that page,
> > like:
> http://help.libreoffice.org/index.php5?title=Chart/Charts_in&action=purge
> > [where Charts/Charts_in is the name of the page where you don't see the
> > language choice].
> >
> > Unfortunately, I did not find a way to clear the cache for the entire
> > wiki at one go, sorry for that.  If anybody of you knows, ideas
> > appreciated :-)
> >
> > The logic to show the page in the right language immediately after you
> > issue help is not implemented yet, I hope to get it done on Monday.
>
>
> Well that is the main "rub" - hope to see it implemented!
>
> And now some observations with this online help implementation:
> It is not as useful as the installed help yet - there is no tree of pages
> to
> browse through (you cannot know if there is a subpage to this help page or
> a
> page above it in the hierarchy etc.), the search results are hardly
> human-readable and informative. If you want users to prefer this help, the
> help content structure should be presented in some way and search should be
> better or at least as in the installed help.
>
> Also, once you have a help page opened, you are not interested in other
> language versions of the same page, but of the main help page of your
> language, of similar help pages / topics in your language - the help frame
> around the help page should be more same-language-help informative and not
> same-page-in-other-languages informative.
>
> And one should have a feeling that one arrived at the heart of LO help
> offering - the place to be when in need of help with LO. So there should be
> some references automatically added to the documentation pages in that same
> language, to the mailing lists etc.
>
> To make it short - the frame in which this page content is displayed should
> be more - helpful to the user. And fully localizable.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> m.
>
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