Cover for GS 6

Hello Dave

The contents of the wiki page that Oliver chose to publish were taken
from a previous discussion document, not from the Documentation Meeting
agreed copy of the final draft I was just about to publish.

I'd like to update the wiki page (*) with the actual review we did in a
previous meeting. Then I'll add my best guess for time estimation on
each topic as well as work on a schedule of deliveries. That will make
an initial workplan we can discuss on our Doc meeting.

Thank you and kind regards

(*) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/6.0

Hello K-J, all

I'd like to resume this topic. We now have the 6.0 branding done.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#LibreOffice_6.0_series

What do you think?

Kind regards
Olivier

I have uploaded an initial draft set of GS6.0 covers based on the new
branding in odf format to:
https://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-6.0/covers-for-gs6.0/view
and in fodg format to:
https://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-6.0/covers-for-gs6.0-1/view

I will be removing the old drafts at tasit.net in the next 24 hours.

Dave

Thanks Dave for the upload. The right direction I think.

2 remarks so far:

Fix the stretching of the logo in the header

the watermarks (triangles) of the body could be "cubes" instead to
detach from previous releases...

regards

Hi Oliver,

A bit puzzled by your stretching remark. There is only a uniform size
reduction of the header items, as illustrated here:
http://tasit.net/files/NoStretch.png
Both of the header components are copied from Heiko Tietze official
branding file
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#LibreOffice_6.0_series
and uniformly reduced in size for a balanced fit within the header area.
I cannot detect any disproportionate stretching, but if anyone else can
please go ahead and make the required corrections.

Personally I dislike the cubes and feel that we are progressively moving
away from the recognized official LO branding and colors for no good
reason, but that's an issue I just have to live with. Over the next few
days I will try and find the time to construct cube watermarks to
replace the triangles.
How about some pretty blue seagulls inside the cubes? :smiley:

Best Regards
Dave

Hi,

what is the font used in the covers? For localization purposes I would need
it. It seem as if Liberation Sans is used, but on macOS in Draw 5.4 the
text is too wide and disrupts the intended design as I open it.

In older designs some font was used that did not support wider codepages,
like unicode, I hope you used one that does (or that a version of that font
with all necessary codepages exists). Maybe you can upload that font to the
site?

Also, in the Cover design I propose you align the "LibreOffice
Documentation Team" test to the left border of the upper "LibreOffice"
design, now it is centered on the page, but the upper ribbon is actually
not a full page-width space as the 6 with cubes takes its toll on the right
side of the page.

Also, the LibreOffice logo seems streched out horizontally when I open this
file in Draw, that should probably not be done.

Another question: now the title of GS is: Getting Started Guide and
LibreOffice 6 is just a logo setup. Shouldn't this be a part of the title,
like
Getting Started With LibreOffice 6.0?

I am attaching the pdf directly made of the posted fodg file - what I get
on macOS in LO5.4. Is this a Letter/A4 thing? Or OS thing/font rendering
issue?

Thanks, m.

Hi Martin,

Hi,

what is the font used in the covers?

Liberation Sans

For localization purposes I would need
it. It seem as if Liberation Sans is used, but on macOS in Draw 5.4 the
text is too wide and disrupts the intended design as I open it.

I can't speak for any Apple computers, but under Linux and Win XP - 10 I
cannot see any issue.

In older designs some font was used that did not support wider codepages,
like unicode, I hope you used one that does (or that a version of that font
with all necessary codepages exists). Maybe you can upload that font to the
site?

No, I used the Liberation Sans font that LibreOffice installs, and it
appears that Heiko Tietze used that same font in his official branding
files.

Also, in the Cover design I propose you align the "LibreOffice
Documentation Team" test to the left border of the upper "LibreOffice"
design, now it is centered on the page, but the upper ribbon is actually
not a full page-width space as the 6 with cubes takes its toll on the right
side of the page.

Not under Linux or Windows. The alignment is as per previous guides.

Also, the LibreOffice logo seems streched out horizontally when I open this
file in Draw, that should probably not be done.

It has _*NOT*_ been stretched and I repeat my previous reply to Oliver's
comment:
"/There is only a uniform size reduction of the header items, as
illustrated here: http://tasit.net/files/NoStretch.png Both of the
header components are copied from Heiko Tietze official branding file
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#LibreOffice_6.0_series
and uniformly reduced in size for a balanced fit within the header area./"
If it has been stretched then we have a serious bug in Draw. As
previously stated:
"/I cannot detect any disproportionate stretching, but if anyone else
can please go ahead and make the required corrections./"

Another question: now the title of GS is: Getting Started Guide and
LibreOffice 6 is just a logo setup. Shouldn't this be a part of the title,
like
Getting Started With LibreOffice 6.0?

I simply followed what was done for the 3, 4 and 5 editions of the
guide. I will leave it up to the documentation team to decide otherwise.

I am attaching the pdf

Attachments are removed from posts to this list and if you read my
signature line you will realize your message to the noreply@ address
never reached me.

directly made of the posted fodg file

Ah! This is the first, last and only time I will ever make anything
available in fodg format. I don't see any use for this format and I do
_*NOT*_ wish anyone to explain it's intended advantages and features to
me. I regularly create/edit files in odg format and I have no issues
with that format.
For clarification here is a link to the pdf output from the odg file
under Linux and Windows:
http://www.tasit.net/files/LO6_GS_Guide_Covers_DCB_20170913.pdf

- what I get
on macOS in LO5.4. Is this a Letter/A4 thing? Or OS thing/font rendering
issue?

The slide/page is A4, the same as all previous guides.

Thanks, m.

Regards
Dave

Hi, Dave,

> directly made of the posted fodg file

Ah! This is the first, last and only time I will ever make anything
available in fodg format. I don't see any use for this format and I do
_*NOT*_ wish anyone to explain it's intended advantages and features to
me. I regularly create/edit files in odg format and I have no issues
with that format.
For clarification here is a link to the pdf output from the odg file
under Linux and Windows:
http://www.tasit.net/files/LO6_GS_Guide_Covers_DCB_20170913.pdf

Exactly the same happens with the odg file. So the format is not guilty for
this.

If anyone wants to see how this odg file opens on macOS, send me a private
e-mail, so I can send back the pdf or png of the cover screengrab.

Lp, m.

Hi Martin

Hi, Dave,

directly made of the posted fodg file

Ah! This is the first, last and only time I will ever make anything
available in fodg format. I don't see any use for this format and I do
_*NOT*_ wish anyone to explain it's intended advantages and features to
me. I regularly create/edit files in odg format and I have no issues
with that format.
For clarification here is a link to the pdf output from the odg file
under Linux and Windows:
http://www.tasit.net/files/LO6_GS_Guide_Covers_DCB_20170913.pdf

Exactly the same happens with the odg file. So the format is not guilty for
this.

Agreed! I created another pdf from the fodg file under Linux and it was
identical to the ones created from the odg file, which suggests that the
culprit is the OSX version of LO.

If anyone wants to see how this odg file opens on macOS, send me a private
e-mail, so I can send back the pdf or png of the cover screengrab.

I managed to scrape the pdf from your message to my noreply@ address
from the server before it was flushed and it looks nothing like the
Linux/Windows originals.

Lp, m.

Regards
Dave

OK, I just downloaded your Linux/Windows pdf output and opened it and the
LibreOffice text in the LibreOffice logo seems stretched outward.

I have uploaded a tif with the tif of your pdf and added a logo from wiki (
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png)
under it and you can see that the spacing and probably also the width of
letters in the logo is not the same.

Here is the mashed tif:
http://ooo.siccla.net/gsi/libreoffice/vodnik/slike/LO6_GS_Guide_Covers_logo-squeezed.png

Something is wrong.

Lp, m.

Yep, the logo and symbol have been resized non-uniformly so the height was reduced more than the width.
This is evident in http://www.tasit.net/files/LO6_GS_Guide_Covers_DCB_20170913.pdf and http://tasit.net/files/NoStretch.png

Regards,
Ilmari

Hi:

As I can see in the logo, the six number is lopsided respect the rest of the logo ( Cubes ).

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez

Since nobody was happy with the first proposal, or came forward with a
better alternative/revision, here is a second draft:

https://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-6.0/cover-proposal-for-gs6.0/view

Dave

Dave,

could you please upload also a pdf, to check the output, because on macOS
the new odg still has a non-uniformly stretched "LibreOffice" logo text.

Thanks, m.

I created a version of the new file with a uniformly scaled logo: https://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-6.0/cover-proposal-for-gs6-0-fixed-logo-proportions/view
I left the symbol alone as it seemed to be scaled OK already.

I took the logo from this file and saved it to its own SVG and imported to Dave's ODG: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Logo.svg

Regards,
Ilmari

Martin,

Here is a pdf created from Ilmari's fix odg:
http://tasit.net/files/LO6_GS_Guide_Covers_DCB_20170916-logofix.pdf

Regards
Dave

Hi all,
starting with Dave's odg I made my own proposal [1] based on the cover for Libo 5 docu.

Dave's proposal seems to break some branding rules [2]:
- The "LibreOffice" text in the logo must be lined at the bottom with the Document symbol.
- no other text in the logo
- "Dont' change the spacing of the elements"

I personnally don't like the green background in the new logo and even would not repeat it at the bottom as a fat bar.

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Design/Front-Guide#Version_1

[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Guidelines_and_Best_Practices

Hi all,

Hi K-J, Good to see another proposal.

starting with Dave's odg I made my own proposal [1] based on the cover
for Libo 5 docu.

I don't know how the strange squared application icons got into the GS5
cover, but I propose we stick to the official icons from the LO6 dev
start center:
http://www.tasit.net/files/LO6_App_Icons.png

Dave's proposal seems to break some branding rules [2]:

True! The original brief was to generate something along the lines of
the new LO6 branding (See Oliver's initial post starting this thread.).
I was trying to conform with background color the official LO6 splash
intro.png image authorized by Heiko Tietze.
http://www.tasit.net/files/intro.png

- The "LibreOffice" text in the logo must be lined at the bottom with
the Document symbol.
- no other text in the logo

Not strictly true, but I am fine with whatever arrangement is chosen.

- "Dont' change the spacing of the elements"

Spacing was taken directly from the official LO6 branding artwork
authorized by Heiko Tietze.

I personnally don't like the green background in the new logo and even
would not repeat it at the bottom as a fat bar.

Agree100%. I would like to stick with the same header and footer
background colors used for previous guide covers.

[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Design/Front-Guide#Version_1

[2]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Guidelines_and_Best_Practices

I had started work on creating new background watermark cubes, but the
results were pretty awful. If we must have cubes, I suggest we go with
the ones in your proposal.

I will raise all matters relating to the covers at next Wednesday's docs
meeting, in the hope that we can reach a final agreement/decision.

Dave

K-J,

Would you please you make the original odg (svg if you must) file of
your proposal available.

Dave

Hi Dave,

Would you please you make the original odg (svg if you must) file of
your proposal available.

It is already on wiki (""Here is the odg"):

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Design/Front-Guide#Version_1

And here is the direct link:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Cover_601-k-j1.odg