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On 11/26/2011 09:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to sign this so it would line-wrap for folks whose email clients won't do it for 

Also, where I say below that an iCLA is required if a contribution to an Apache project is to be 
made, there are other ways.  A work could be contributed under an SGA (Software Grant Agreement, I 
think.)  The SGA provides a permissive license to Apache that allows the work to be licensed as an 
Apache project result.  It has to be done by someone entitled to do so. (That is what Oracle did in 
licensing to the ASF.  Oracle still holds the copyright though and other licenses of 
the same content are not revocable.  That's why the Oracle grant does not interfere with TDF 
continuing with LO as a derivative of the LGPLd OO.o software.  Although new work from AOO under 
ALv2 will be third-party to TDF, etc., etc.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton []
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 18:25
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

I'm not quite clear what Alex is observing about rebranding of the New documents Jean is talking 
about.  Let's break it down into parts.

  If someone who did not hold the copyright made a derivative work of those documents to rebrand 
them for Apache OpenOffice, change screen shots, etc., they would need to honor the original 
license.  (If it is dual licensed the creator of the derivative has a choice which license(s) to 
produce the derivative under.)

If someone who held the copyright on the New documents were to make the derivative, they could 
certainly offer a different (dual) license.  By either route, even if one of the available licenses 
were an Apache ALv2 license, it still would not constitute a contribution to the Apache OpenOffice 
project.  Contribution is a separate act.

Now, to have it also be contributed to an Apache project, there would have to be a contribution 
agreement (iCLA).  Whether that is done or not is a separate decision.
An Apache project, or any other project for which the ALv2 license is compatible could also rely on 
the new document as a 3rd party work.  In the case of an Apache project, this would not happen if 
the licensor objected.

A final example: If I wrote a new document that applied to LO and licensed it in a way that TDF 
accepts, I could also rebrand and modify it myself and offer a different license on that version.  
I am in a position to go farther and contribute the rebranded one to the Apache OpenOffice project 
too.  That involves more steps, even though I have already registered an iCLA with ASF.

[I'm not going to get into how ODF Authors and others might hold joint copyright and how that 
complicates new licensing and especially contribution to ASF.]

  - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Thurgood []
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 14:35
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

Le 26/11/2011 20:15, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :

Hi Dennis,

There is absolutely no requirement to file an iCLA with the Apache Software Foundation in order to 
use the Apache License v2.0.  The iCLA is for contributors to Apache projects.  It says so right in 
the part quoted below.  Many projects not carried out as Apache projects use the license.  (Compare 
with using the GPL versus contributing to a Gnu project, the latter generally requiring a license 
to FSF.)
Sounds like it is best to stick with a Creative Commons license only for LO with the author(s) having the rights to reassign to others as they wish. The problem with reassignment, if I understand copyrights, is that all the holders must agree or it not valid.
Thank you for specifying that. I admit that my mind was rather more
focussing on the possibility that the "new" (and I share Jean's
understanding of the same meaning of "new") LibreOffice documents, if
they were rebranded as AOOo documentation under AL2 as part of the AOOo,
would then constitute a contribution under that project and thus require


Jay Lozier

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