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I don't believe TDF is the copyright owner of the documentation Jean is referring to. 

They are not works produced for hire (an important case rather specific to US Copyright Law) and 
without an explicit transfer of copyright to the TDF, the TDF has at most the license that is 
offered on the works by their authors.  

I am confident that an organization that avoids collecting CLAs of any flavor and accepts licenses 
to code via e-mail declarations is not getting any copyrights from anyone [;<).

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 06:50
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

Hi :)
Ok, the human-readable explanation claims that individuals within an external organisation would 
have to each sign their own individual CLA's with ASF.  However the legalese in the contract 
doesn't seem to insist on that at all
http://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-corporate.txt

 1. Definitions.

      "You" (or "Your") shall mean the copyright owner or legal entity
      authorized by the copyright owner that is making this Agreement
      with the Foundation. For legal entities, the entity making a
      Contribution and all other entities that control, are controlled by,
      or are under common control with that entity are considered to be a
      single Contributor. 

In our case the copyright holder is TDF.  Well at the moment not TDF but the German community (or 
is it French?) that is the legally registered organisation that is looking after TDF assets until 
TDF is fully registered.

I don't have a specialism in copyright or contracts or anything and don't have any qualifications 
in law for even a single country so i am aware there are a lot of implications and things that i am 
completely unaware of.  Also i know Alex does have some expertise in exactly the right area 
although he is not officially employed as an expert and is only giving us the benefit of his 
opinion for us to weigh-up.

Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sat, 26/11/11, Alexander Thurgood <alex.thurgood@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alexander Thurgood <alex.thurgood@gmail.com>
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 26 November, 2011, 14:16

Le 25/11/11 20:01, Jean Weber a écrit :

Hi Jean,

The existing user guides are licensed the same as the OOo guides they were derived from, and the 
templates include this licensing information on the Copyright page (GPL and CC-BY dual license).

NEW documents, however, could be licensed differently. I propose that new docs be dual licensed 
CC-BY-SA (preferred by LibreOffice) and Apache (so our work can be reused by Apache OpenOffice 
and other products).

The AL2 would require all documentation contributors to sign a
contributor license agreement :

http://www.apache.org/licenses/

Contributor License Agreements

The ASF desires that all contributors of ideas, code, or documentation
to the Apache projects complete, sign, and submit (via postal mail, fax
or email) an Individual Contributor License Agreement (CLA) [ PDF form
]. The purpose of this agreement is to clearly define the terms under
which intellectual property has been contributed to the ASF and thereby
allow us to defend the project should there be a legal dispute regarding
the software at some future time. A signed CLA is required to be on file
before an individual is given commit rights to an ASF project.


There are more than subtle differences between the AL2 and CC-BY-SA.
Whilst I may not be fully satisfied with the CC-BY-SA license, it
appeals to me far more than AL2.


Personally, I have no such intention of signing an agreement of the AL2
type, or anything like it again (if I can possibly avoid it), I'm afraid
it reminds me too much of the jumps and hoops you had to go through with
Sun.


So, -1 for me, I'm afraid.


Alex




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