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Hi :)
Ahh, i thought that when the team publishes a document the individuals CC by SA licence is then 
re-licensed under a new CC by SA licence as the original licence allows?

Also, "Hey that's not my glass!!!  Mine was bigger!!  And it was full!!" (quote from THHGttG, 
thanks Zaphod :) )  I might have missed a few ! marks.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Sat, 26/11/11, Alexander Thurgood <> wrote:

From: Alexander Thurgood <>
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
Date: Saturday, 26 November, 2011, 15:40
Le 26/11/11 15:50, Tom Davies a
écrit :

Hi Tom,

In our case the copyright holder is TDF.  Well at
the moment not TDF but the German community (or is it
French?) that is the legally registered organisation that is
looking after TDF assets until TDF is fully registered.

Unfortunately, or fortunately (depending on which half of
the glass you
see as full ;-)), the copyright holder is each individual
author, and
not TDF (that is precisely why there is no copyright
assignment in any
part of the LibreOffice project.

If a contributor wishes to have his/her contribution
accepted within the
LibreOffice project then they have to do so under the
LGLP3+/MPL+ for
code, or CC-BY-SA for anything else, unless there are other
reasons for this not being the case (which will always
raise the
question as to whether it is really accepted or not), as
for example,
with some older code that has been revamped but must be
kept currently
under LGPL2.

So TDF (or even the German foundation currently running
things while it
is being set up) is not the owner of the documentation

The Documentation Project is not a legal entity in the
sense of the word
"organisation" referred to in the AL2 license - it has no
legal remit of
representation for copyright assignments.

I don't have a specialism in copyright or contracts or
anything and don't have any qualifications in law for even a
single country so i am aware there are a lot of implications
and things that i am completely unaware of.  Also i
know Alex does have some expertise in exactly the right area
although he is not officially employed as an expert and is
only giving us the benefit of his opinion for us to

Indeed, I'm not (to my knowledge) employed by any entity
involved in
this project (thankfully), which allows me to be have an
opinion. I have been known as an "électron libre" in the
past, and for
the most part, have managed to stay that way ;-)

I have already stated on the Apache OOo list that I would
not allow for
the licences of any of my previous documentation
contributions to be
changed (since at one stage, some people were touting an
"automatic, by
default change" - fortunately, the Apache mentors of the
project are
crucially aware of doing this correctly when it comes to
the legal
issues). What the final result will be remains to be seen -
I fear a
severely trimmed OOo, but I am also assuming that the AOOo
project will
in due course fill those gaps.

Of course, my position with regard to AL2 is my own, and
each person in
this documentation project must decide in their own
hearts/minds, how
they wish to act. I am not here to sway them in one way or
another on
that decision. I merely wanted to point out the
oversimplification that
Jean made with regard to the word "published". This
could lead people to make a decision with regard to the
licensing of
their works, without understanding all of the ramifications
behind it.

Now, please excuse my pedantry, and on with the debate !!


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