Screenshots for LibreOffice documentation

Hi Jay, *,

Unless someone is willing to spend the time and money to properly
research the US legal issues, the safest course is avoid any chance of
putting us into a possible legal crosshairs. I have neither. The problem
is that no one has come forward who is US  attorney and knowledgeable on
software related issues to advise us. MS could consider LO as a direct
competitor to MSO and thus would look for our legal blunders committed
out of ignorance of US law.

It may be more tedious for us to make sure our screenshots do not show
anything that would imply a Windows OS but it is safer. I doubt any
Linux distro would be upset if their desktop was identifiable in one of
our screenshots. In fact a subtle plug could made by saying all the
screenshots were made on various Linux distros. Many Windows users think
we are command line using dinosaurs and would be surprised to see a
vaguely familiar desktop.

Well, if one *were* to accept that the risk might possibly exist in
the US, I somehow *feel* that Microsoft would be much less likely to
succeed in such hypothetical action in European courts. Also,
certainly in Europe, Microsoft would be likely to attract loud
criticism and incite hostile activism in doing so.

But, even if one were to avoid Windows screenshots to the greatest
extent possible (it being difficult to produce good Windows
installation guides - for example - without taking screenshots under
Windows), I still would not like to see the English docs team and
website team taking its screenshots purely under Linux/Unix. What
about the Macintosh platform? I'd certainly like to encourage more
involvement from Mac users.

Also, in response to a conversation taking place currently on the
Design mailing list (the which list I'm CC'ing), it's my personal
feeling that it is not especially beneficial to ensure that all
screenshots look identical (in terms of the theme used). Nor do I
personally feel it's particularly beneficial to ensure that all
screenshots be taken using a theme based on colors from the
LibreOffice Design/Marketing pallet.

An English documentation contributor's guide has been developed with
rational recommendations for the taking of screenshots, and I think it
largely addresses the issues that really matter in terms of their
usability/suitability.

However, I feel that we should make it as easy as possible for new
English docs and website contributors to get involved, and not set-up
unnecessary requirements in terms of software used and GUI
environment. And I also feel we should *celebrate* the possible
diversity of OS and GUI for running LibreOffice, and need not shun
variety of colors and themes in screenshots either for English
LibreOffice documentation or for LibreOffice websites.

Anyway, this is just to make clear my own POV on the subject one final
time. Thanks for reading, if you did.

Hi :slight_smile:
I think Apple are a lot less protective of screen-shots of their DE. It's all
based on FreeBsd anyway! However they do put a LOT of work into creating a very
distinctive style so it's possible they are worse than MS are reputed to be.

Gnu&Linux distros are likely to be more sensible and see it as free
advertising.

I think we should aim at being consistent for now for new screen-shots, because
we have excellent people such as Jaimon that are able to focus on doing
screen-shots for people that haven't got the agreed themes. This means some
people can focus on the words without having to worry about side-issues.

After the Design Team arrive at a conclusion and after Jean gets back i think
that would be a better time to discuss screen-shots in future releases of
documentation.

Haphazard and ill-considered differences will detract from our documentation and
there is no need for it when we have a good system for producing higher quality
results. Jaimon & Jean have put a lot of work into this. Please, lets not
spoil it for them now!

At the moment the screen-shots seem more on a level that competes with Apple's
aim of high quality artistic simplicity & skill.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

Hi!

I read the legals of software in Hungary. I see no problems of the
screenshot neighter in windows, neighter in opensource, because you are
working for open source: libreoffice, and the windows or opensource OS, is
just a frame, and you can cut of the screenshot the startbar in windows and
tha it's just the program, witch could be form any KDE.
But avoiding the USA policy I will do the screenshots in ubuntu. We don't
want any problems I think. :smiley: I would do it in Mac, but don't want to buy a
Mac for 3000 euro...

Hobbit

Hi Tom,

Hi :slight_smile:
I think Apple are a lot less protective of screen-shots of their DE. It's all
based on FreeBsd anyway! However they do put a LOT of work into creating a very
distinctive style so it's possible they are worse than MS are reputed to be.

Well, reading this gives you an idea :

http://www.apple.com/legal/trademark/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html

http://www.apple.com/legal/trademark/copyright.html

Quoting from the "guidelines for third parties" page alone :

"Use of the "keyboard" Apple Logo (Option-Shift-K) for commercial
purposes without the prior written consent of Apple may constitute
trademark infringement and unfair competition in violation of federal
and state laws. Use of Apple trademarks may be prohibited, unless
expressly authorized."

In other words, if you want to make documentation including the ""
which you are going to _commercialise_ (i.e. sell, whether for profit or
not), you *need* to ask Apple first, before you do it, and obtain
written consent. And that is just for the little Apple symbol, given as
an example.

Alex

Oh and this :

"2. Apple Logo and Apple-owned Graphic Symbols: You may not use the
Apple Logo or any other Apple-owned graphic symbol, logo, or *icon*
[emphasis added by me] on or in connection with web sites, products,
packaging, *manuals*, promotional/advertising materials, or for any
other purpose except pursuant to an express written trademark license
from Apple, such as a reseller agreement."

Alex

Now I am feeling all paranoid. Perhaps there should not be a Windows version of LO.