Documentation conference call

Hi David et al

Thanks for the message. In fact many of the aspects that you speak of are of interest to the Drupal team. We have tried as best as we can to question and lurk in different group mailists and we still need some information to really round out our preparation for the Drupal website with regards to the Documentation, Marketing and Dev teams. Which explains the post of the thread yesterday: [Drupal Documentation Needs] Documentation Team needs and Drupal site development.

The Drupal Web Dev Team is at the point where it is looking at the information to try to complete these 3 sections so that the transfer in the early 2011 months is as painless and seemless as possible.

It would be nice if that thread were filled out so that we can continue our work to prepare the Drupal "Documentation site" which will also allow time for testing by the Documentation members.

Marc

I don't have a microphone, but would like to participate moving forward.

Hi Jeremy, :slight_smile:

I don't have a microphone, but would like to participate moving forward.

In the marketing conference calls, there were people without
microphones who were listening-in on the discussion and making
comments/contributions via the TDF IRC channel. The moderator and most
of the participants were monitoring the channel and relaying what they
said, so no microphone doesn't have to be a total showstopper for
taking part. :wink:

In any case, there may well also be people who simply don't feel
comfortable with such a public discussion, but who want to contribute
to documentation work or are already doing so.

My proposal would be that, afterwards, we would write-up the results
and information learned, and draw up a list of people already active
in or interested in documentation work. We can then carry on the
communication on the list here.

The idea would be to try and form an identifiable team, and to work on
some agreed goals and best practices.

My hope would be to have a chance for a chat with some of the veteran
contributors (such as Jean Weber Hollis, for instance), to try and
learn whatever possible from them with regard to their past experience
in OOo.

David Nelson

I think a conference call is a very good idea, even though it's unlikely
that a time that is convenient for others will be a time that I'm awake
and available, and I don't like voice communications much at any time.
However, I do want to pass on some of my experience to the group... in
the hope of saving others from making the same mistakes.

BTW, the name is Jean Hollis Weber. :slight_smile:
It's okay to drop the "Hollis" in casual conversation.

Cheers, Jean

Hi all, :slight_smile:

With the idea of trying to find a date and time for a conference call,
that fits for people, I've set-up a poll where you can enter your
preferred dates and times.

Initially, I've proposed the dates from this coming Thursday, Nov 25,
to next Monday, Nov 29, but let me know if only other dates are OK for
you...

I'm also asking Florian if it will be possible to use the Talkyoo
channel. (If so, I'll post details about how to use it. If not, we
could also use a Skype conference.)

I think a conference call is a very good idea, even though it's unlikely
that a time that is convenient for others will be a time that I'm awake
and available, and I don't like voice communications much at any time.
However, I do want to pass on some of my experience to the group... in
the hope of saving others from making the same mistakes.

BTW, the name is Jean Hollis Weber. :slight_smile:
It's okay to drop the "Hollis" in casual conversation.

Jean, I'm sorry about that... My *only* excuse is that it was very
late at night... :frowning: I got it firmly fixed in my head now. :wink:

David Nelson

Hi,

With the idea of trying to find a date and time for a conference call,
that fits for people, I've set-up a poll where you can enter your
preferred dates and times.

Initially, I've proposed the dates from this coming Thursday, Nov 25,
to next Monday, Nov 29, but let me know if only other dates are OK for
you...

I'm also asking Florian if it will be possible to use the Talkyoo
channel. (If so, I'll post details about how to use it. If not, we
could also use a Skype conference.)

sure, I'm happy to provide that room. Please let me know when the date is fixed and make sure it does not collide with the SC call and the marketing call. We have only one room. :wink:

Just ping me when you know the date, then I'll send you data for the room.

Thanks!
Florian

And this poll is where?

--Jean

Hi, :slight_smile:

And this poll is where?

It's true that this little detail would be a useful piece of information. :smiley:

The poll is here:

http://doodle.com/qq8hiysi36fhkwy4

David Nelson

I have made myself a promise to keep reminding people that using a Skype conference meeting is not an option for those with dial-up or cellphone hook-up. We should at least try to find options where the possibility of participation is greatest for our membership, even those who are really only interested in "listening in" on the meeting.

We should avoid marginalising those with slower speeds of connection.

Marc

Hi Marc, all, :slight_smile:

I have made myself a promise to keep reminding people that using a Skype
conference meeting is not an option for those with dial-up or cellphone
hook-up.

It's not a problem, Florian will be giving access to the Talkyoo. I'll
be posting details in the next 48 hours. We just have to schedule it
around the SC meeting on Sunday, November 28th, 1500 UTC. (The next
marketing conference looks like it will be held much later next week.)

Just to remind you, thi poll is at:

http://doodle.com/qq8hiysi36fhkwy4

David Nelson

Op 20/11/2010 9:40, David Nelson schreef:

Hi, :slight_smile:

The "marketing team" have been holding conference calls to discuss
ideas and on-going business. I think people have found it a good way
to exchange opinions and information quickly, and have also found it a
great way to get to know each other better and develop a team spirit.
Of course, there are almost certainly people who prefer just to do
their contributing without having that kind of interaction with other
project members.

But I'd like to suggest organizing a conference call for documentation
contributors - at least as a one-time thing (we could discuss the idea
of regular or periodic conferences during the call). Some reasons for
doing this are as follows:

1) I'd like to talk to some of the more-long-standing contributors and
get a better idea of what material and resources the project already
has, and what we could usefully work on developing.

2) We could get an idea of how many active documentation contributors
there actually are in the LibO community.

3) We could talk about workflows, and try and establish who would like
to play what role(s).

4) We can discuss working rules and conventions, to help new
contributors like me get up to speed more quickly.

5) We can talk about the above more quickly than via posts to the
mailing list, and can then follow up with further development of what
we discuss, on the mailing list and on the wiki. If anyone's
interested, we can also work live on a Google Wave (I could provide a
place to do that temporarily until the project gets its own Wave
resource, and we can make the Wave public).

Any reactions about all that?

If people seem favorable, I can follow up with Florian Effenberger to
arrange for access to the Talkyoo channel, we can set up a poll to see
when the best date and time is (hopefully in the *very near* future),
and I can create a wiki page where we can work-up an agenda.

David Nelson

Great idea. I added my hours in Doodle.

Best regards

Op 20/11/2010 9:40, David Nelson schreef:

Hi, :slight_smile:

The "marketing team" have been holding conference calls to discuss
ideas and on-going business. I think people have found it a good way
to exchange opinions and information quickly, and have also found it a
great way to get to know each other better and develop a team spirit.
Of course, there are almost certainly people who prefer just to do
their contributing without having that kind of interaction with other
project members.

But I'd like to suggest organizing a conference call for documentation
contributors - at least as a one-time thing (we could discuss the idea
of regular or periodic conferences during the call). Some reasons for
doing this are as follows:

1) I'd like to talk to some of the more-long-standing contributors and
get a better idea of what material and resources the project already
has, and what we could usefully work on developing.

2) We could get an idea of how many active documentation contributors
there actually are in the LibO community.

3) We could talk about workflows, and try and establish who would like
to play what role(s).

4) We can discuss working rules and conventions, to help new
contributors like me get up to speed more quickly.

5) We can talk about the above more quickly than via posts to the
mailing list, and can then follow up with further development of what
we discuss, on the mailing list and on the wiki. If anyone's
interested, we can also work live on a Google Wave (I could provide a
place to do that temporarily until the project gets its own Wave
resource, and we can make the Wave public).

Any reactions about all that?

If people seem favorable, I can follow up with Florian Effenberger to
arrange for access to the Talkyoo channel, we can set up a poll to see
when the best date and time is (hopefully in the *very near* future),
and I can create a wiki page where we can work-up an agenda.

David Nelson

Great idea. I added my hours in Doodle.

Best regards

Hi all, :slight_smile:

I've created a wiki page [1] with more information about the planned
conference call.

Notably, you can add suggested agenda items there, or you can discuss
them in this thread beforehand.

If you're interested in taking part, please add your available time
slots to the poll at:

http://doodle.com/qq8hiysi36fhkwy4

All currently-contributing and prospective documentation workers are
enthusiastically invited!

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ConfCalls

David Nelson

Thanks David.

Will there be an mp3 and text version available afterwards just like the Marketing confcalls?

I may sit on the sidelines if I can make it. The Drupal team will be interested on any decisions made on infrastructure for our site development team.

Cheers

Marc

Hi Marc, :slight_smile:

Will there be an mp3 and text version available afterwards just like the
Marketing confcalls?

That's uncertain and will depend on participants' express agreement.

I may sit on the sidelines if I can make it. The Drupal team will be
interested on any decisions made on infrastructure for our site development
team.

I'm not *sure* that it's *possible* to get many meaningful answers
regarding that at the moment. But feel free to add it to the agenda if
you like. :wink:

Poll for participants to choose a date and time:
http://doodle.com/qq8hiysi36fhkwy4

Conference call wiki page for more info and the agenda:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ConfCalls

David Nelson

As we have made a commitment to be a transparent organisation, I think it would be in our interest to plan for this. This allows all of the membership the opportunity to hear/read (also in translated form by some groups) the proceedings of the meeting. If I am unable to attend, it would be nice to have this.

All of the marketing proceedings are posted this way.

Marc

Hi, :slight_smile:

As we have made a commitment to be a transparent organisation, I think it
would be in our interest to plan for this. This allows all of the membership
the opportunity to hear/read (also in translated form by some groups) the
proceedings of the meeting. If I am unable to attend, it would be nice to
have this.

It's a question that I'll ask people, but this is just an experimental
thing for the moment, and I would make people's personal privacy the
first consideration. Some of the people taking part might not actually
be into this kind of communication in general, and it will already be
an achievement to even get them online at all.

Reminder:

Poll for participants to choose a date and time:
http://doodle.com/qq8hiysi36fhkwy4

Conference call wiki page for more info and the agenda:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ConfCalls

David Nelson

I just added a lengthy list of topics, probably too many to attempt to
cover in the first conference call. I may think of more later today.

--Jean

I have added to this page the details of an offer from Friends of
OpenDocument Inc. to produce and sell printed copies of LibO user
guides:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Produce

--Jean

Hi Jean, :slight_smile:

I just added a lengthy list of topics, probably too many to attempt to
cover in the first conference call. I may think of more later today.

Great! Well, that's certainly going to give us stuff to talk about! :wink:

I added one more item. Plus I moved the Drupal website discussion down
the list because, IMHO, that can be a long discussion in itself.

David Nelson