AW: AW: tdf#108580: integrate vc_redist.exe into Windows installer

Hi Mike

> 1. Creating a redirect at TDF side imposes additional load to our server infrastructure; 
> 2. Users will depend on reliability of TDF servers wrt this (in terms of their state, correctness 
> of the link, and also possible man-in-the-middle problems with modified links pointing to malware) 
> - note that LO downloads themselves are served from multiple mirrors, but this kind of redirection 
> can't work using mirrors

I have mean directly from Microsoft not from TDF. 

> 3. Users would need internet connection at time of setup (which might not be there: many download 
> the installer, to bring it somewhere where there's no Internet connection

I think that is not a big problem, the most have an Internet connection (and many App can't install 
without connection), but when not the installer gives a hint (only when needed), and the user 
should install the redist.

But any way, this is only a  suggestion, and has also weakness  (e. g. MS changes the link), the 
other case we have always up to date the vc_redist.exe.

Best 
Juergen

 

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Von: LibreOffice [mailto:libreoffice-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org] Im Auftrag von Mike Kaganski
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Dezember 2017 10:07
An: Juergen Funk Mailinglist <Juergen.Funk_ml@cib.de>; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Betreff: Re: AW: tdf#108580: integrate vc_redist.exe into Windows installer

Hi Juergen,

thanks for feedback!

On 12/14/2017 11:04 AM, Juergen Funk Mailinglist wrote:
> this is a good idea, but I think the better way is, when the system need the vc_redist then we 
> "download" the new  vc_redist.exe from MS and starting.
> This has 2 advantage
>   - the LO msi would not be bigger
>   - we install always the up to date redist-dll's

Well, the main problem here is that there's no "latest vc_redist.exe" 
static link on MS site. So, this approach is simply impossible without us creating a redirect on 
our side. And this would create additional
problems:

1. Creating a redirect at TDF side imposes additional load to our server infrastructure; 2. Users 
will depend on reliability of TDF servers wrt this (in terms of their state, correctness of the 
link, and also possible man-in-the-middle problems with modified links pointing to malware) - note 
that LO downloads themselves are served from multiple mirrors, but this kind of redirection can't 
work using mirrors; 3. Users would need internet connection at time of setup (which might not be 
there: many download the installer, to bring it somewhere where there's no Internet connection).

So this is just not an option - at least, this is much worse than suggestion to simply telling 
people to manually download and install the redistributable themselves, put on the download page.

> In the current way it is possible you install older one of the dll's, and after the LO 
> installation it pop up the Windows-Update, that I think is a little bit strange.

No; this is absolutely normal - most softwares out there behave this way, so not different from 
usual. Of course, *if* your suggestion was possible to be implemented in a reasonable way, it would 
be best - but the downsides outweigh the benefit.

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Best regards,
Mike Kaganski
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