Re: minutes of ESC call ...

On 11/03/2017 10:05 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
> On 11/02/2017 06:10 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > * clang-format-ness (Miklos)
> [...]
> >      + propose merge step#1 without clang-format enforced (Michael)
> >         + don’t like the auto-re-format of others’ commits (Stephan)
> >            + if want to have enforced – make sure all commits is 
> > formatted right
> >              or we get these issues.
>
> To maybe clarify that a bit:  I see no value at all in enforcing any 
> formatting as an end in itself.  I only see it as a means to drop the 
> future amount of reformatting commits to zero.  (What I mean with 
> "reformatting commits" is both commits that do no changes other than 
> reformatting source code, as well as commits that mix---related, or even 
> unrelated---reformatting of source code with some "real" changes. Either 
> form creates "noise" that makes it harder to inspect individual git 
> commits and the git history.)
>
> The only way I see how we can reach that goal of zero future 
> reformatting commits is to have the invariant that all commits to the 
> central git repo are enforce-formatted (after one round of "big noise" 
> reformatting any existing source code, if we ever get there).

And, just to clarify, for me that means that enforcement on new files 
cannot be opt-in based on whatever personal concerns, as might be read 
out of the commit message of 
<https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5946eedfb78e250a40f14ae1e5b709e827b2504c> 
"test: clang-format recently added xsheet tests":  "Jens says he was 
unhappy with the 80 cols limit, so clang-format was explicitly avoided 
for these new files [...]"