* Present: Heiko, Jan-Marek, Kendy, Samuel, Tomaž
* GSoC is close again
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ needs to be filed in until the next Tue
+ Heiko will add the ideas there (/done)
/done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography
+ we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view
+ Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ...
+ design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog, print dialog
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8&usp=sharing
+ done
+ redesign template manager
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing
+ Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to
GSoC-next ideas
+ Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493
[longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?]
+ Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available)
* Draw-related survey (Heiko)
+ published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February)
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/
http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12
+ Results
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByWdNpQKVjM8bF91TGJCUXlFUk0
+ many participants, over 1200 valid answers
+ first feelings: more people want improvements in the visio-like features, much less
want publisher-like features
+ but many other interesting input too
+ Heiko will go deeper into the statistics
+ categorize the answers
+ extract the info...
* Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek)
+ The side bar currently has a maximum size limit
+ problem for wollmux exension (Jan-Marek)sw/sdi/swriter.sdi
+ in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy)
+ we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-)
(Kendy)
AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek)
- http://snag.gy/e8550.jpg
- http://snag.gy/Q6pvY.jpg
- http://www.wollmux.net/wiki/WollMuxBar#Suchleiste
+ fan of the changes, just need to be careful - fixed size has some merit too (Stuart)
+ having a fixed/minimum value by default and allowing a sidebar extension dev to modify this
value through api (Jay)
+ https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XDockableWindow.html
+ Sidebar Bug Reports (Stuart)
The Sidebar Meta - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65138
Sidebar "philosophy" where it needs to go -
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33223#c11
a key feature -- multiple & detatchable decks, and support in profile state
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905
+ basically now part of the UX team wants to give the flexibility, the other wants fixed size
:-)
+ suggested a poll - to get more info what the users are expecting (Heiko)
+ actually cannot exactly make my mind either (Kendy)
+ have some casses that are annoying, but other than that, I'd be for freedom for
extensions (Kendy)
+ concerned about moving input to the sidebar (Heiko)
+ let's try to collect useful use cases, and pros and cons for them (Kendy, Heiko)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ts5GlnrOGWcn7_V9naqRF-Ag9EWzFpsF6GwxH_uzzRw/edit?usp=sharing
+ would it be actually a big problem when different sidebar panels have different width? (Kendy)
+ added that as a questionto the poll
+ constantly changing side when jumping from one tab to the next isnt good UX (Jay)
+ will share the poll on the ML, when the questions are agreed, publish about the next week
(Heiko)
+ What about changing the sidebar tab programatically (add API)? (Jan-Marek)
+ no objection from me (Kendy)
+ if the extension does things the user do not like, they'll de-install ;-) (Kendy)
* Update Default font
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577
+ Would be useful to change the default font in all apps rather than just impress (Jay)
+ Droid Sans, Serif, Mono (used on Android, available in Google Docs, available in ubuntu
12.04 & debian 6-backports)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_fonts
+ Noto Sans, Serif, Cousine (droid derivative to fully cover all scripts in unicode,
available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto_fonts
+ Caladea, Carlito (bundled with LibO, metric compatible with MS Office default fonts,
available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7-backports)
+ Discussion on the ML: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-default-fonts-td4175420.html
+ I think using the interoperable fonts makes most sense (Kendy)
+ there was a concern about Carlito on the ML
+ number 6 and 8 are higher
+ and Caladea
+ some Cyrilic and Greek letters are missing
+ maybe we should also double-check the metrics compatibility (Kendy)
+ but this is all fixable - TDF can run a tender for this (Kendy)
+ what exactly MSO does when it opens a document using eg. Carlito? (Samuel)
+ probably it's possible to specify fallback (Tomaž)
+ let's investigate...
* An alternative print range selection algorithm, 2. (Jan-Marek)
+ Patch has landed in master, needed additional fixup but works now
- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89708
- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97505
+ still needs evaluate how it works with duplex-printing (Jan-Marek)
+ and if it is fine, switch default to not printing blank pages
+ water-sign / indicator with 'automatic blank page' would be nice (Heiko)
* Spam at the blog
+ amount of spam dropped, good
* Budget for the 2016 - brainstorming
+ Improvements in the Carlito / Caladea / ... fonts
+ Some travels to UX-related event(s)?
+ which ones?
+ Some new templates - competition prizes, or even a tender
+ When the UX metrics solution (now tendered) is implemented, H/W to actually crunch the data
+ please if you have other ideas, send feedback to the mailing list
+ deadline: 2nd March, we still can discuss at the next meeting
Context
- Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-19 · Jan Holesovsky
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