Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-04

* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Michel, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Controller to show toolbar content as menu (Maxim)
    + Edit points toolbar (Jay)
    + Save Remote only when available (Maxim)
    + Transition icons for Impress (Andreas)

* Suggestions from Roland (Samuel)

    + http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-vs-numbers-td4167428.html

    + mostly general ideas (Samuel)
    + might be good to point Roland to the .ui files, so that he can do improvements etc. (Kendy)
        + will mail him & point to the calc sidebar .ui files, so that he can play with that 
(Samuel)

* Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay)

    + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551
      
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing
        + not published yet

    + draft finished, but Jay not that happy with the content (Heiko)
        + what to do to unblock? :-)
        + we should share it at least in the current state, to get feedback, and be able to iterate 
(Heiko)
        + unfortunately cannot see Jay recently (Kendy)

    + let's wait with the Area Tab blog post for now, Jay had some concerns (Kendy)
        + let's publish the Table Style blog post now instead (Kendy)

* Evaluation of what the users need (Michel)

    + what use cases are we targeting (Michel)
        + we have personas in the HIG (Kendy)
    + would be good to prototype + test (Michel)
        + prefer doing the LibreOffice code directly - so that it is exactly what can be done 
(Kendy)
        + but if you know of a tool that can do it more easily, please do tell us (Kendy)

    + in the case of the Area Tab, it is only about re-arranging the existing dialog (Heiko)
        + not necessary to have user stories there, but useful for new designs (Heiko)
        + interesting to have user stories even when re-designing (Michel)

* Bug discussions

    + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=---
 
    + discussed, and acted on:
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84953
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85383
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81519

* NotebookBar (ToolSpace?) (Samuel)

    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pt1Psa4YDVwFOdYlLl6TXaK5LIK2uf1RKJk1UOTLsWg

    + current focus: loading the toolbars from glade (.ui) instead of .xcu files

    + keep in mind the HIG (Heiko)
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar
        + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko)
            + eg. grouping
                + possible with Notebookbar
                + eg. http://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.0.7/#!/example/toolbar/toolbars.html ?

    + Will have  a friday session on NotebookBar topic on Fr 04th of Dec
        + Please have a look at the following links until then: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar#Resources

    + the patch was reverted in master, will re-introduce that (Kendy)
        + considering a rename to 'ToolSpace' when at that; let's see (Kendy)
        + current plan: do more technical ground work there, so that the rest is up to
          concrete design of .ui files via glade (Kendy)
        + then many paths are possible, eg:
            + https://smehrbrodt.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/improving-the-toolbars-in-libreoffice/
            + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar
            + but we want this to be an "implementation detail" - whatever is in .ui files (Kendy)

* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)

    + Andreas provided the icons for transitions
        + many thanks! :-) (Kendy)

    + Paulo proposed new mimetype icons (Heiko)
        + nice stuff (Stuart)
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png
          
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png
        + looks good, positive feedback on the ML (Kendy)
        + could have a better contrast for the Draw icon (Heiko)
        + up to Andreas + Jay to merge if it fits their plan (Kendy)