minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
    + Jan-Marek, Robinson, Christian, Sophie, Stephan, Norbert, Oliver, Jan I,
      Kendy, Miklos, Michael M, Eike, Thorsten, Andras, Michael S, Bubli, Jacobo,
      Muthu, Bjoern
 
* Completed Action Items:
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + please cleanup / merge mentoring page (JanI)
        [ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
          https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert ]
    + UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
    + UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
    + reach-out to Beta Co-working guy to book pre-FOSDEM hackfest (Bjoern)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
    + 4.4.6 RC3
        + requests for a re-spin re:
           + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/19660
        + fine with a 4.4.7 instead (Eike)
AI:            + add a 4.4.7 to the release-plan (Cloph)
    + 5.1.0 Alpha 1
        + out on pre-releases, and testers will be using for
          bug-hunting this weekend
        + branch scheduled in week starting Nov 16th - Week 47
    + 5.0.3 - RC2 status
        + will be published on mirrors today,
        + announced alongside 4.4.6 as final next week.
    + Android & iOS Remote
        + identified some problems in the hack-fest, not fixed yet.
            + Tomaz also working on this (Michael)
 
* MSVC 2015 (David O., Stephan)
    + Mostly working, lots of work done.
    + after the hack-fest works - modulo this issue:
        + 
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/msvc-x86_64#Ongoing_efforts_to_support_MSVC_14.0_.28aka_VS_2015.29>
            + "address wrong MSI merge library installation location problem for C runtime"
    + can we get a tinderbox up and running ?
        + should we make this the default for 5.1 ? (Michael)
            + can re-purpose one of the Mac-mini for VS 2013 (tb) (Norbert)
                + for main-workload don't want multiple toolchains.
                + ideally move to support it properly in 5.1
                + when 5.0 is EOL - switch everything to use VS 2013.
        => plan to drop MSVC 2013 for LO 5.2 if LO 5.1 is building too.
            + when we obsolete 5.0
            + base-line of build-OS (not run-time) should be raised
              to Windows 2016 at the same time (Cloph)
AI: + kind offer to setup an MSVC2015 tinderbox vs. master (Thorsten)
    + community edition ? (Jmux)
        + is that also 2015 ?
            + also available (Cloph)
                + harder to get the 2013 free version currently.
    + internally build with the pro version (Norbert)
        + good to build with the community version.
 
* gerrit version (Michael)
    + old gerrit / not updating it ?
        + already did an update this year; updates are stressful (Norbert)
    + some UI change - needed to be approved (Norbert)
        + checked who was using old UI (Michael)
            + not much of a problem wrt. the old change-set UI.
    + planned event - somewhere beginning of next year (Norbert)
         + the new version enables on-line editing of patches ? (Bubli)
            + are the benefits big enough ?
            + quite impressed, but every change can cause grief
                + won't change anything you see Bubli (Michael)
                + concerned server already slow enough (Miklos)
                    + could make it worse ? just a concern / not measured.
    + Open to offers of people wanting to upgrade & fix it (Norbert)
         + critical tar-baby / ongoing maintenance needed.
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
    + call yesterday, 32x pixel breeze icons
         + have a big theme, will have another choice - extra-large
    + sorted out what should be in toolbars, sidebars, dialogs etc.
         + blog post to follow for feedback.
    + pending on infra to create design blog (cf. redmine ticket)
         + https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505
AI:      + talk to Alex tomorrow (Cloph)
    + NotebookBar bits
         + some ideas already; but missed Samuel (getting Married)
         + either ~non-context-sensitive toolbar-like or
           something more familiar.
 
* Documentation (Kendy)
    + new release still pending.
    + Regina did a nice demo of the xmlhelp stuff at the hackfest (Michael)
    + pending tasks: still should look at paragraph-ids & remove
      from translation tools.
    + fixed the xmlhelp / icon images not themed properly (Stephan)
        + more hackfest goodness.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolán on vacation)
    + ? import failures, ? export failures, ??? coverity issues
        + updates next week ...
    + asan+ubsan crashtest run
 
* Hamburg Hackfest retrospective (Bubli)
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2015
    + nice demo from Regina, already mentioned.
    + nice demo from David - new Gerrit UI.
    + some healthy mixture of the experienced and the newer.
    + on Sunday - one arriving from the street.
    + new bugs filed; some even fixed
    + interesting impress deployment in electronic msg. boards in schools.
    + thanks to CIB for hosting it (Michael)
        + are willing to host the next hack-fest.
    + encouraging - that CIB people & some old-hands using Windows (Bjoern)
        + discussing VS. integration etc.
        + hopefully this brings more Linux/Windows breakages to parity.
        + great to see several sympathetic Sun superheros.
    + some good mentoring done too.
    + the Cloph / VMs worked well too (Bjoern)
    + evening meet & greet - better to start earlier (Bjoern)
        + can get speakers in-place; and a topic to invite for ?
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern)
        + booked a room.
        + if they get 5x more LibreOffice hackers - would be good.
        + 3x confirmed people: Bubli, JanI, Bjoern.
            + volunteers are invited.
            + may attend the hack-fest (Jacobo)
        + no wiki page yet Dec 2nd -> 4th planned.
            + waiting for confirmation.
    + FOSDEM / Beta Co-working (Bjoern)
        + looked at conference room costs: Eur 500/day
    + next venues / suggestions
        + incoming US venue suggestion (Bubli)
            + dave_largo - would be happy to host a hack-fest
               + they have the venue & users & connectivity.
               + do they have local developers / hackers ?
AI:         + chat Dave (Robinson)
        + Belgium another candidate ...
        + perhaps again at Las Palmas (Thorsten)
 
* l10n Update (Sophie)
    + 5.1 translation is going on, everythign is fine.
 
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
    + newly appointed: Mihai Varga, Oliver Specht, Philippe Jung
         + congratulations etc. Italo to send out certificates.
    + odd that others are easily competent enough - but nervous
      of being called certified (Kendy)
         + fear of being called at night ? (Stephan)
             + [ to hire you (Michael) ]
    + perhaps best to get them to hack-fests & encourage in-person (Thorsten)
    + nudge: opt out not in ? (Michael)
    + pending 7 weeks ...
 
* Jenkins update (Norbert)
    from:Thu Oct 22 14:49:45 2015
    master linux rel  jobs:187 ok:182 ko:5  fail ratio:2.67%  break:5  broken duration:4.4%
    master linux dbg  jobs:135 ok:128 ko:5  fail ratio:3.7%   break:3  broken duration:3.18%
    master mac rel    jobs:183 ok:179 ko:4  fail ratio:2.18%  break:2  broken duration:0.62%
    master mac dbg    jobs:174 ok:168 ko:6  fail ratio:3.44%  break:3  broken duration:1.03%
    master win rel    jobs:82  ok:71  ko:11 fail ratio:13.41% break:5  broken duration:13.17%
    master win dbg    jobs:130 ok:111 ko:19 fail ratio:14.61% break:17 broken duration:11.25%
    master win64 dbg  jobs:123 ok:108 ko:15 fail ratio:12.19% break:11 broken duration:12.08%
    lo-4.4 mac        jobs:4   ok:4   ko:0  fail ratio:0%     break:0  broken duration:0%
    gerrit win rel    jobs:187 ok:122 ko:64 fail ratio:34.22%
    gerrit lin rel    jobs:199 ok:181 ko:18 fail ratio:9.04%
    gerrit mac rel    jobs:200 ok:173 ko:27 fail ratio:13.5%
    gerrit all        jobs:186 ok:115 ko:70 fail ratio:37.63%
       + not too bad this week.
    + a new linux box is now online, tb75 (aka lilith@documentfoundation.org)
    + another one -- tb76 aka maggie@documentfoundation.org) being prepared.
        + these do a full cold build in 20-25 minutes (depending on release/debug/dbgutil)
        + full hot build is in the 7-8 minutes ranges
        + incremental no-op: a couple of minutes
        + tb63 and tb64 (VM) will be decommisionned.
        + tb65(ec2) has been stopped, keeping it on stand-by as needed.
        + plan: add a job to do a 'tdf-release' build tinderbox
        + plan: configure tb76 to be able to do ubsan.
            + would love help from sberg.
    + plan to increase the diversity of load: a TB as close as possible to release (for Linux)
 
* Easy Hacks:
    + new easy-hacks thanks to:
        + Bubli & Bjoern
        + http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX
    + create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
            "easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup"
    + create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
      (or remove the whiteboard keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval
 
* QA update (Robinson)
    + UNCONFIRMED at 498 + 21 bugs in UX-advise
       + up slightly.
    + needAdvice at 15
    + BugHunting Session for 5.1 starts tomorrow! (Fri-Sat-Sun)
        + Specific features/improvements/bugs that need testing? Please list them here:
          https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_5.1.0.0#What_to_test
    + Most Pressing Bugs:
        http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
        + tdf#94063 - EDITING References break when putting text behind them
        + tdf#91789 - UI:  Crash on exit after format header
            + bibisected; bjoern?
              as per comment 5 seems to be a regression from f7424ed7 from Zolnai
    + ran into a tough user-recently (Norbert)
        + would love to have an 'abandoned' status ...
        + description can't reproduce, won't share the document
            + closed -> "works for me"
        + but perhaps better to have an 'abandoned' status:
            + no value judgement etc.
        + at RedHat have "insufficient data" (Eike)
            + happy with that (Norbert)
                + sounds like 'needinfo' (Bjoern)
        + launchpad 'Expired' - auto convert after 90x days of no data (Bjoern)
        + avoid the 'works for me' - can irritate the reporter
            + not the right status (Robinson)s
                + resolved->invalid currently.
        => come up with a proposal mail for this new node in the graph (Robinson)
 
* Thoughts on global current frame foo ? (Michael)
    + if intention is to get rid of it - huge chunk of work (Miklos)
    + nasty hack around existing global state.
 
* QA stats
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +170    -106        (+64 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Beluga                20
        Dennis Roczek         10
        Maxim Monastirsky      9
        Joel Madero            4
        Julien Nabet           4
        Christian Lohmaier     4
        Markus Mohrhard        4
        m.a.riosv              3
        raal                   3
        Jean-Baptiste Faure    3
        Jacques Guilleron      2
        László Németh          2
        Andrzej Hunt           2
        Xisco Faulí            2
        V Stuart Foote         2
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
        5.0: 12/48 - 25%    +1
        4.4: 10/70 - 14%    +0
        4.3: 6/67   - 8%    +0
        4.2: 11/132 - 8%    -1
        4.1: 4/79   - 5%    +0
        4.0: 11/81  - 13%   +0
        old: 39/246 - 15%   +0
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 341/1089 330/1074 324/1064 322/1047 324/1039 325/1029 330/1028
    + http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + stats are for two weeks ...
        + 703(+17) bugs open of 4365(+26) total 45(+0) high prio.
 
        * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
                  Calc - 20 (+1)
                Writer - 13 (-1)
           LibreOffice -  7 (+0)
               Impress -  2 (+0)
                    UI -  1 (+0)
   filters and storage -  1 (+0)
                  Base -  1 (+0)
                + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 
        * ~Component   count net * all regressions
                Writer - 237 (+5)
                  Calc - 151 (+7)
               Crashes -  53 (+2)
               Impress -  51 (-2)
           LibreOffice -  48 (+3)
                    UI -  43 (-2)
        graphics stack -  30 (+3)
               Borders -  28 (+0)
                  Base -  24 (+0)
                  Draw -  21 (+0)
   filters and storage -  16 (+0)
Printing and PDF export-  11 (+0)
                 Chart -  10 (-1)
                 BASIC -  10 (+0)
        Formula Editor -   5 (+0)
            Extensions -   2 (+0)
             framework -   2 (+0)
            Linguistic -   2 (-1)
                   sdk -   1 (+0)
                + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i

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