minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
    + Stephan, Jan-Marek, Eike, Kendy, Miklos, Michael M, Andras, Christian,
      Norbert, Robinson, Caolan, Bubli, Bjoern, Muthu
 
* Completed Action Items:
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + please check if you're listed in the mentoring page (All)
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
        [ still needs some action from Kohei, Cedric, Thorsten etc. ]
    + UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
    + UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
    + ask students to write their own wrap-ups to aggregate (Cedric)
    + write a nice blog entry about 1000's bibisect - including flowers (Robinson)
        [ updating a graph, will post today ].
    + reach-out to Beta Co-working guy to book post-FOSDEM hackfest (Bjoern)
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
    + 4.4.6 - RC2 status
        + tagged yesterday, builds are up-loaded for Win, Linux & Mac
            + can be announced for early-testing
            + available for all tomorrow.
    + 5.1.0 Alpha - this week ?
        + done either today or tomorrow.
    + 5.0.3 - RC2 status
        + due next week - tag planned towards end of week,
          Thur evening
    + Android & iOS Remote
        + promoted Alpha -> Production for the Google app-store.
        + migrated build-system to gradle
        + supports debugging with Android Studio & lldb
        + if not giving the same results as ndk-gdb - try the other
           + they should both work (see android/README for details)
 
* Killing MediaWiki-Publisher (Andras)
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19167/ => seems to be solved
    + not killed after all, just removed deps. to old & buggy bits.
      => modernized.
 
* Killing LibreOffice gconf integration (Bjoern)
    + gconf is obsoleted by gsetting
    + on most distros the settings in gconf will be outdated/unused
    + keeping this around as will likely just cause confusion as people will find subtile different 
settings without knowing why/from where
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41678
    + used to be used for lockdown and some prop. tools integrated (Michael)
    + RH not using it (Caolan)
        + Stephan working on a dconf version instead.
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
    + NotebookBar
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar
        + merged the prototype to master from the branch, guarded
          by an env. var (export LO_USE_NOTEBOOKBAR=1)
        + some extensions of the .UI XML to accomodate this nicely.
        + Samuel working on Kendy's prototype here
    + Breeze / HiDPI theme work ongoing.
    + Tomaz merged the darkening icon-theme algorithm, design guys happy.
    + Table Styles
        + a new design session on Friday
        + last time discussed editing
        + now necessary to approach applying them in the sidebar etc.
        + keep toolbars or move to the sidebar ?
 
* Documentation (Kendy)
    + again some new patches from Jay for help-authoring ext'n.
    + will release a new version tomorrow.
    + #libreoffice-design IRC a great place to hang out to implement help.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolán)
    + 1 (now fixed) import failures, 0 export failures
        + doing another run again.
        + if still zero - need to try asan build.
    + coverity upgraded to 7.7.0, now c++ *and* java
        + project broke since marked C++ only.
        + 657 warnings!
           + mostly java or c++ rtti change related
        + what warnings do we get from RTTI ? (Michael)
           + dynamic_cast<> can return NULL (Caolan)
           + dynamic on const, and then static_casts etc.
           + helps find places where we can clean casts up.
 
* File format fuzzing to drive UX testing (Caolan)
    + video: http://caolanm.blogspot.ie/2015/10/fuzzing-libreoffice-input-events-with.html
    + file format driving UI input
    + got the server load piece done;
      getting iterations from under 1x per sec. to 4x per sec.
        + file-formats went to several 1000 per sec.
    + events very far removed from consumption, so hard to
      see the chain between consumption and insertion.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + Hamburg, Germany: Oct 23rd -> 25th (Bubli)
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2015
            + would be great to see everyone there.
            + Friday will celebrate the 5th birthday again with
              misc. parties / politicians joining in the fun.
    + FOSDEM / Beta Co-working
        + do it pre-FOSDEM ? (Eike)
            + does it work to arrive 2x days earlier ?
            + slide-writing instead ? (Michael)
            + not much communication happening anyway (Eike)
                + lots of tired people.
            + arn't really supposed to talk a lot @ co-working (Miklos)
        + could we book a separate room for us ? (Bubli)
        + afterwards - could invite people to join in ? (Bjoern)
            + perhaps try it beforehand this time.
    + next venues / suggestions
        + Belgium another candidate ...
        + perhaps again at Las Palmas (Thorsten)
 
* l10n Update (Sophie)
    + did register #libreoffice-NLP channel - join it ...
    + rather an unfortunate name (Bubli)
        + expecting 'l10n' rather than nlp.
        + asked on the l10n list for feedback, people preferred NLP (Cloph)
AI: + could setup a notification message for -l10n -> NLP (Cloph)
 
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
    + now we have 5 names
    + some new suggestions to come from Bubli.
    + reaching out to poke the happy recipients etc.
    + another round planned in a month or two.
 
* Jenkins update (Norbert)
    from:Thu Oct  8 13:53:52 2015
    master linux rel  jobs:208 ok:196 ko:12 fail ratio:5.76%  break:4  broken duration:3.92%
    master linux dbg  jobs:122 ok:114 ko:8  fail ratio:6.55%  break:5  broken duration:3.66%
    master mac rel    jobs:185 ok:173 ko:12 fail ratio:6.48%  break:6  broken duration:2.83%
    master mac dbg    jobs:194 ok:176 ko:18 fail ratio:9.27%  break:11 broken duration:7.92%
    master win rel    jobs:93  ok:81  ko:12 fail ratio:12.9%  break:8  broken duration:14.9%
    master win dbg    jobs:160 ok:126 ko:34 fail ratio:21.24% break:23 broken duration:15.92%
    master win64 dbg  jobs:136 ok:115 ko:21 fail ratio:15.44% break:15 broken duration:12.97%
    lo-4.4 mac        jobs:8   ok:7   ko:1  fail ratio:12.49% break:1  broken duration:23.45%
    gerrit win rel    jobs:212 ok:124 ko:87 fail ratio:41.03%
    gerrit lin rel    jobs:212 ok:182 ko:30 fail ratio:14.15%
    gerrit mac rel    jobs:212 ok:166 ko:46 fail ratio:21.69%
    gerrit all        jobs:212 ok:113 ko:98 fail ratio:46.22%
        + an average week.
        + do we have any windows machines with symbol-server working ? (Caolan)
           + not thought that there are any (Cloph)
               + '39' tbox - not working, unit tests not working (Kendy)
AI:                + will try to re-start that now (Kendy)
               + can we get a README for setting that up ? (Norbert)
                   + nothing that difficult, either documented or out-of-box (Kendy)
                   + ideally should be running on TDF infra (Norbert, Cloph)
                   + is part of default tinderbox scripts (Cloph, Norbert, Kendy)
 
* Easy Hacks:
    + new easy-hacks thanks to:
        + Sophie, Michael
        + http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX
    + create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
            "easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup"
    + create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
      (or remove the whiteboard keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval
 
* include ordering (Miklos)
    + some people have strong opinions on canonical include ordering
    + when its a mess - adding new ones at the end a bit annoying.
    + can someone (who cares about this) write up some suggestions ?
    + tool used to remove unused includes (?)
        + sal/config.h should be the 1st include (Michael)
            + new contributors need to know this stuff (Miklos)
    + there is documentation somewhere - talking about sal/config (Norbert)
        + a rule almost never followed; but technically good.
        + after that - avoid a mixed up zoo.
        + some sort of rough ordering; system, external modules, local
            + easier to read & maintain.
    + another rule: (Bjoern)
        + after sal/config.h - include header corresponding to your file
        + as the 1st include; so the header is self-contained & complete.
        + even this rule questionable (Stephan)
            + lets not bike-shed.
    + problematic to cleanup by re-ordering with no real merit (Stephan)
    + conflicting cleanups that revert each other's patches (Miklos)
    + some is cosmetic, but not all can be resolved technically (Norbert)
        + cosmetic -> multiple ways to do it; just one way.
    + what the old OOo code conventions say about it: 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Cpp_Coding_Standards/HEADERS
    + "include what you use" triggered this (Miklos)
        + if so - reducing pointless churn a goal (Michael)
            + also improving the include hierarchy
    => leave it for now.
 
* QA update (Robinson)
    + UNCONFIRMED at 483
        + lower.
    + needAdvice at 15
    + thanks for the VclPtr bisection work from Bjoern (Michael)
    + Most Pressing Bugs:
        http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
        + tdf#94063 - EDITING References break when putting text behind them
        + tdf#91789 - UI:  Crash on exit after format header
            + update from Bjoern (fixed?)
        + tdf#94689 - Crash on new file, close file, open file
            + Another windows crash
        + tdf#94225 - Writer crashes on undo
 
* QA stats
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +206    -279        (-73 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        QA Administrators     93
        Beluga                20
        Julien Nabet          17
        m.a.riosv             15
        Maxim Monastirsky     14
        Joel Madero           13
        Markus Mohrhard       10
        V Stuart Foote         9
        Dennis Roczek          6
        raal                   5
        Adolfo Jayme           4
        Miklos Vajna           4
        Cor Nouws              4
        Jacques Guilleron      4
        Winfried Donkers       3
 
* Raw data for new metrics:
    + issues marked as 'highest' priority.
    + considered equivalent to MAB.
        5.0: 9/35 - 25%
        4.5: 3/12 - 25%
        4.4: 11/70 - 15%
        4.3: 7/67 - 10%
        4.2: 12/132 - 9%
        4.1: 4/79 -  5%
        4.0: 12/81 - 14%
        3.6: 5/41 - 12%
        3.5: 5/63 -  7%
        3.4: 6/58 - 10%
        3.3: 6/34 - 17%
        OO: 16/28 - 57%
        http://tdf.io/mab
 
* Open 5.0 MAB
  + 12/47 [new metric] 1/12
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 68/70 [ new metric ] 8/59 10/60
 
* bug stats (Robinson)
        + previously - hand-chosen; tagged on earliest live series.
            + would get moved forward when we retired the series.
            + here, we have them sitting as far back as we can trace.
        + can we add the 4.5 and 5.0 together ? (Michael)
            + yes (Robinson)
        + can we have a 5.1 number ? (Michael)
            + yes (Robinson)
        + can we have a sum of all still open bugs for
          all versions vs. closed for this version (Michael)
            + by release series? sure (Robinson)
        + is something still open since 3.3 truly a MAB ? (Michael)
            + worth looking at again ?
AI:     + discard MAB series (Michael)
            + closed bugs are pretty random (Bjoern)
            + new set of graphs from next week.
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 324/1064 322/1047 324/1039 325/1029 330/1028 344/1028 345/1020 338/1006
    + http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + stats are for two weeks ...
        + 683(+6) bugs open of 4327(+84) total 48(+0) high prio.
 
        * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
                  Calc - 19 (+1)
                Writer - 16 (+0)
           LibreOffice -  7 (-1)
               Impress -  3 (+0)
                    UI -  1 (+0)
   filters and storage -  1 (+0)
                  Base -  1 (+0)
                + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 
        * ~Component   count net * all regressions
                Writer - 233 (+5)
                  Calc - 143 (+5)
               Crashes -  52 (-1)
               Impress -  49 (+0)
                    UI -  45 (+1)
           LibreOffice -  45 (+0)
               Borders -  27 (+3)
        graphics stack -  26 (-1)
                  Base -  26 (-1)
                  Draw -  21 (-1)
   filters and storage -  15 (+2)
                 Chart -  12 (+0)
Printing and PDF export-  11 (+0)
                 BASIC -  10 (+1)
        Formula Editor -   5 (+0)
            Linguistic -   3 (+0)
             framework -   3 (+0)
            Extensions -   2 (+0)
                   sdk -   1 (+1)
                + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i

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