Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-09-30

* Present: Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Lera

* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Chart sidebar tweaks (Jay)
    + Chained textboxes core functionality (Matteo / GSoC)
    + Better placement of arrow style dropdowns (Jay)
    + AutoCorrect entry in the context menu (Jay)
    + Table styles in Writer core functionality (Kendy, Alex / GSoC)
 
* LibreOffice Conference
 
    + a very good one
    + Jay missed, people were asking :-)
    + ~4 Design / UX related talks (Bubli, Heiko, Kendy, Tomaž)
    + encouraging spirit, interesting conference (Heiko)
 
* Table styles (Kendy)
 
    + core functionality now implemented & pushed to master (Kendy)
        + when an table AutoFormat is applied, it keeps updating the table (Kendy)
        + missing pieces: import/export, better UI (Kendy)
    + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy)
        + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay)
        + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zOsEe_cj-VnFyuPZcld4-WPjwmdsfsaHuOO8e2dfhU0/edit
        + let's try 9th October (Kendy)
 
* Bug discussions
 
    + NAVIGATOR: Reverse the behaviour of the page number control
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89553
    + problem that there is a spin button, and pushing the 'up' arrow actually does PgDown
        + proposal: change to input field + have PgUp and PgDown buttons there (Heiko)
            + like [down] [input-line-with-the-number [up] (Heiko)

                https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119144

            + would slightly prefer [up] and [down] close to each other so that you don't
              have to travel with the mouse too much when you touch it one more
              time than desired ;-) (Kendy)
            + already quite many buttons there :-( (Jay)
            + we shouldn't change the meaning of the buttons - in Gtk3 they are presented
              as [+] and [-], we would change the meaning there (Kendy)
                 + so either we should have own buttons there (Heiko's proposal),
                   or let it be (Kendy)
        + conclusion: Let it be for now (wontfix)
    + actually it turns out there are many inconsistencies & bugs in the navigation panel
        + sometimes the view is changed, sometimes the cursor position
        + the spinfield is not updated when changing the position in the document
        + etc.
        + and it looks too packed at the top, and empty at the bottom
        + have a proposal with better layout (Jay)
            + https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=113625
              https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89566
            + looks like a good topic for one of the Friday session? (Kendy)

* Help updating (Kendy)
 
    + new release? (Kendy)
        + 1 pending patch in gerrit, 1 local one (Jay)
        + so with these two, please do release (Jay)
    + help-related meta bugs:
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580
    + wikihelp? (Jay)
        + help proposal
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MULCsm8gD-QPv-W1LbHBynnY0eD16Q6uXsrzpgfJdvQ/edit?usp=sharing
            + idea to use xml editor (Kendy)
    + License for new help files (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94618
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
 
    + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay)
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90790
        + went through the reproducer with Jay, it's an additional bug (Kendy)
            + will create a report (Jay)
              https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866
 
    + Sifr & breeze for dark themes
        + bug report created (Jay)
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94632
 
    + Icon package dependent packages (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94408
        + This has to be addressed by contacting package maintainers
          https://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2015/09/msg00343.html

    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
        + patch in to fix navigator icons - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19034/ (Jay)
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
        + patch to fix some navigator icons - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/19041 (Jay)
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* Next Friday's design session (Heiko/Jay)
 
    + Friday session this week (Oct/02)
        + 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC
        + Improve the Area tab so its easy to browse and customize the fill - tdf#94551
 
    + List of possible future topics
        + 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing