Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-09-16

* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Jay, Mattias
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Printer missing from tooltip (Samuel)
    + Sifr updates (Matthias)
 
* Update the meeting time (Kendy)
 
    + current time inconvenient a bit, what would be the best time? (Kendy)
    + let's do a doodle (Heiko)
 
* LibreOffice Conference
 
    + September 23-25, 2015, Aarhus, Denmark
    + http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/call-for-papers/
        + see you there!
 
* Help updating (Kendy)
 
    + Jay pushed many more improvements recently to gerrit
        + when all approved, will release a new version (Kendy)
    + help-related meta bugs:
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580
    + wikihelp? (Jay)
        + help proposal
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MULCsm8gD-QPv-W1LbHBynnY0eD16Q6uXsrzpgfJdvQ/edit?usp=sharing
            + idea to use xml editor (Kendy)
    + add repo path to wiki help
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94044
        + easily doable (Kendy)
    + HelpAuthoring now reasonably OK for new help pages, but one has to be extremely
      careful when editing existing stuff (Kendy)
        + modulo some bugs - when editing a field, it can destroy some other fields
          with "** Expression is faulty **" message
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94167
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
 
    + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay)
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90790
        + went through the reproducer with Jay, it's an additional bug (Kendy)
            + will create a report (Jay)
              https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866
 
    + Sifr & breeze for dark themes
        + would be good to have versinos that use lighter colors (Jay)
        + ideally done in S/W (Kendy)
        + please create a bug for that Jay (Kendy)
            + I'll add the code pointers then (Kendy)
    
    + idea about breeze-color (Heiko)
        + talked to Andreas
        + Idea: background color wrt. function/catgory
        + sometimes the toolbar is too grey (Heiko)
        + would be good to be able to download + use new icon theme easily (Heiko)
            + problem to find a developer :-( - a bit of hacking involved (Kendy)
 
    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
        + pushed one patch this week (crop icon); to 5.0 too, plus some updates (Jay)
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* Templates Competition (Jay)
 
    + no news this week

* 5.0 Artwork (Jay)
 
    + no news this week

* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
 
    + replace "UX principles" https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Principles by "HIG"
      on http://www.libreoffice.org/community/design";?
        + UX principles good & relevant, but not specific enough (Heiko)
        + suggest to change this link to the HIG instead:
          https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines
        + conclusion: Will mail website@global.libreoffice.org (Heiko) / done
        + Stuart recommends to wait with pushing the HIG to a more prominent place until it is more 
refined. (Stuart/Heiko)
            + then again - never let perfect be enemy of the good ;-) (Kendy)
            + I think it would be enough to improve the look of
              https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines a bit, and switch (Kendy)
    + sidebar + dialogs
        + added to wiki
 
* Writer: Styles menubar entry (Jay)
 
    + what character should be in the list? - would like to add more (Jay)
    + citation maybe? (Heiko)
    + text body vs. default
        + what's the difference? (Jay)
        + preference to use 'text body'
 
    + problem with table styles - even with ODF
        + a GSoC implementation exists, unfortunately not merged yet (Kendy)
            + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?h=feature/table-style
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94076
        + table style support - 
http://www.vandenoever.info/tmp/2015/sep/table-properties/report.html
 
* Chart sidebar (Jay)
 
    + Moggi said sidebar work is going along well (Jay)
        + he's just finished another round of bug fixes
        + he's asked that people test the sidebar and submit bugs using tdf#91063 in the blocks 
field
        + will be moving my bug report log to bugzilla
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MobF-oLurtYVYx4Q_2K___SoSpYNcCfWbcewSa4bk2w/edit?usp=sharsang12

    + want to create a set of chart styles (Jay)
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90490
        + chart styles are broken up into data series color sets, layout presets, and element style 
presets
        + asked Heiko and Matthias to create a few color sets and layout presets
        + will ask Moggi what is possible to implement within the sidebar
        + research work
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QZ2JchTHZ0_o4CZwMNB-xVqIKJVomrnSw8LetfX-uZ8/edit?usp=sharing
          
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlfmZTWFI4MWpCLUh0OXlnYVV5bmtoMXNVU25kRzlHNDZZQ3FDdVFvcHU1emc&usp=sharing