Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-07-01

* Present: Heiko, Jay, Marek, Mattias, Kendy, Steve

* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Many new and updated Breeze, Galaxy and Sifr icons (Andreas)
    + Sifr improvements (Matthias)
    + Improve chart formatting toolbar (Jay)
    + Better linting of .ui files (Rosemary)
    + Darker background for master view (Bubli)
    + Move away accidental tango_testing icons (Andreas)
    + Hide master slide button in the toolbar (Jay)
    + Minor fixes to the reorganized menus (Jay)
    + Improved sidebar selection analyser for Calc and Draw/Impress (Rishab)
    + New colors for the startcenter (Kendy)
 
* LibreOffice Conference
 
    + September 23-25, 2015, Aarhus, Denmark
    + http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/call-for-papers/
    + would be great to have you all there :-) - please submit a paper!
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)

    + Breeze icons appearing in Sifr navigator (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91379
      screenshot 4.4 vs 5.0 - https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=115723
        + found, commented in the bug (Kendy)
 
    + Icons to push into 5.0 if not already pushed (Jay)
      
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=ff06895b3e3a664c2238e358c02ae5b755e2ce06
        + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16635/ seems not to be in libreoffice-5-0
            + cherry-picked that as https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16666/
 
    + Limit to making changes to icons in 5.0 (Jay)
      https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16542/
      Adolfo and Norbert have diffferent opinion on this
        + the problem is that the tango_testing icons shouldn't have been there in the first place 
(Jay)
        + change is in a theme that is not default on any platform (Kendy)
            + not affecting any documentation etc.
            + and are fixes - improves at least the fallback for now
            + Andreas woring on the real Sifr icons there - to be pushed later
        + in general - for large changes that affect very visible areas, they need to be synced 
with ESC / triple-reviewed
            + but for normal / small fixes, the usual rules apply (1 review is enough until the 
last RC)
 
    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
        + Papamatti has pushed new icons (Jay)
        + Andreas will create new chart icons (Jay)
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
        + Andreas has pushed some changes (Jay)
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* Templates Competition (Jay)
 
    + Wiki page setup
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Templates_for_LibreOffice_5.0
    + 5 templates submitted so far
 
    + 1st round of review the next meeting, please check beforehand :-)
 
* LibreOffice 5.0 splash + start center + about box new theme (Kendy)
 
    + vote is ongoing in the Visual Identity group
        + results will be tomorrow, then finalized for the next RC
    + implementation of the new colors for the start center ongoing (Kendy)
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90452#c45
 
* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
 
    + have written the sidebar discussion
        + some replies on that (Heiko)
        + discussion of the replios (Heiko/Jay)
            + accepted / commented the changes
    + will publish tomorrow (Heiko)
 
    + next steps: dialogs
 
* Next Friday's design session (Jay)
 
    + Friday session this week
        + dialogs are next
        + 1:00pm CEST / 11:00 UTC
 
    + List of possible future topics
        + 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing
        + Steve wants the sidebar "configuration menu" icon gone: "it's useless confusing, thus 
user unfriendly,
          creates frustration and clutters the UI."
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91824
 
* Changing the gradient toolbars to single color on Mac (Jay)
 
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92359
      https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=116924
        + hard to do it without a physical access to a mac :-( (Kendy)
        + https://imgur.com/U8Gfqi6,lXXO7sb,P9bGLkv (steve)
    + Office 2016 - http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/03/excel-100571705-orig.png
        + Microsoft doesnt use mac gradient in ribbon tabs (Jay)
    + can TDF provide a mac for a developer who'd work on this? (Steve)
        + temporarily eg.
        + i have an extra mac that devs can teamview into for building/testing
 
* Toolbar less prone to editing (Marek)
 
    + see http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/lock-the-taskbar
    + there is a "Lock toolbar position" (Jay)
        + would be enough to do that a default
    + please create a bugreport for that (Jay)
        + will do (Marek)
        + add to the catogory 'ux-advise'
    + dragging pieces of the toolbar should be platform-specific (Heiko)
        + no system definition for this though (Jay)
    + adding a specific 'lock' button or something would be confusing (Heiko)
 
* Insert deck or panel (Marek)
 
    + for inserting objects from the sidebar (Marek)
    + sidebar primarily for properties, not for insertion, that is supposed to be in the standard 
toolbar (Jay)
        + discussed at length in the HIG's (Jay)
 
* Quick access toolbar (marek)
 
    + https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee354410.aspx
    + Created by microsoft as they have tabs and a number of file buttons are hidden in the tabs 
(Jay)
    + if you want to try to prototype that, no problem with that from the code point of view (Kendy)
    + problem is that you'd be creating an own UI that would be platform-specific (Jay)
        + so it would be very limiting
        + not possible to share the code between eg. windows and Gtk3 (Kendy)
        + but of course, if you want to mock-up something, go for that (Jay)
 
* Easy hacks for Marek (Jay)
 
    + spell dialog auto-closing - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79312
    + 'Go to Page' dialog - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83054