Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-05-06

* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias

* Completed Action Items:

    + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing 
in child icon sets
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90790
    + Kendy: agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion 
widget
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects 
changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's 
profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
        + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
          and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after 
discussion on 20150128)
            + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
    + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
         + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar
    + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete
  
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Removed direct formatting context menu entries from comment objects (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86606
    + Writer's image context menu reorganization completed (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87185
    + Writer's table context menu reorganization completed (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86619
    + Reorder the entries in the numbering drop down (Bubli)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69316

    + improvements in the icons (Matthias, Adolfo) 
    + sifr fallbacks to breeze, not the other way around (Jay)
    + implement crop via mouse in Writer, Calc and Impress (Philippe Jung)

* Calc default styles
 
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90937
    + 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bt2Gr0JslOLL86xb-bCl76mji5AhHT_8VI-5Wp5Qyq0/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + code for this is here:
        + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sc/source/core/data/stlpool.cxx#n275
        + would be great to update (Kendy)
 
* Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy)
 
    + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart)
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding
        + it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it.
        + need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g.
          + visual design (color scheme, icons)
          + StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--)
          + placment or size of thumbnail views/template views 
          etc.
    + already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs
 
    + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
 
    + reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay)
AI      + put together the requirements + share with Heiko + Jay (Kendy)
 
* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
    + should add information how to create new widgets (Heiko)
    + generally UI guidelines should be kept simple to avoid the stagation
      that more detailed documents get (Ken)
 
    + 1st part published, lots of feedback
 
    + put the 1st part to a wikipage (Heiko)
        + sounds good (Kendy)
        + move current https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines to temp
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
 
    + Applications icons: logos or icons?
        + Marketing team view: Applications icons are just icons.
        + Starcenter is a branded part of LibreOffice (Heiko)
        + conclusion: Up to the icon theme designers - if they want to theme those icons in
          the start center in their theme, they can
        + NB: Still there is the bug that wrong theme is used sometimes! - must be fixed for 5.0
 
    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing

    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
        + few new pushed - thanks!
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
        + More icons were pushed by Andreas (Jay)
        + It should fallback directly to Galaxy rather than (Jay)
          http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/vcl/source/gdi/impimagetree.cxx#n110
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* needsDevEval (Jay)
 
    + presented the ~10 at ESC
    + query for all the NeedsDevEal was cleaned up
 
    + will present the UI related ones in the ESC weekly (Kendy)
        + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&list_id=533111&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20TopicUi&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr
        + still Jay will go through them to remove topicUI from those that do not look like Easy 
Hacks (Jay)
 
* Next Friday's design session (Jay)
 
    + 12pm UTC
    + Continue with last friday's insert chart discussion as it hasnt been completed
    + List of possible future topics
      
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Topic: Style guide - continued
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
        + like, where we want to rely on other guidelines, and what we want to design / decide
          ourselves