Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-22

* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Stuart
 
* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

    + Kendy: agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos
    + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion 
widget
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects 
changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's 
profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
        + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
          and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after 
discussion on 20150128)
            + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
    + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
         + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar
    + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing 
in child icon sets (Jay)
    + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete
  
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Rearrange Chart toolbars
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90492
    + Draw sidebar open by default (Kendy)
    + Styles & Formatting sidebar tab has style preview (Tomaz)
    + Finalized Draw UI (Jay)
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90090

* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
    + should add information how to create new widgets (Heiko)
    + generally UI guidelines should be kept simple to avoid the stagation
      that more detailed documents get (Ken)
 
    + had the Friday session about this
        + so far mostly getting on the same page - UX vision & personas (Heiko)
        + continue this Friday
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)

    + Shouldn't the icons in the Start Center always be the TDF/LibreOffice official "Branding" 
icons
      regardless of the icon theme? (Pedro)
AI      + best to agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos (Kendy)
 
    + bug in the start center:
        https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90127
        https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90387
 
    + Tango (Alex/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
        + fixed two incorrectly shown icons (Jay)

    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
        + Andreas pushed some more icons (Jay)
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* How best to provide kendy with a list of needsDevEval (Jay)
 
    + presented the ~10 at ESC
    + query for all the NeedsDevEal them:
        + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&list_id=533105&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20needDevEval&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr
 
    + will present the UI related ones in the ESC weekly (Kendy)
        + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&list_id=533111&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20TopicUi&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr
AI      + let's triage what's there, and then use the "needsDevEval topicUI" combination for the 
proposed UI Easy Hacks (Jay / Stuart)
 
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard/Advanced
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard
        + there is inconsistency between needDevEval, neeedsDevEval and NeedsDevEval
        + would be good if QA makes it consistent - querying is hard:
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval (26 
bugs)
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needDevEval (14 
bugs)
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=NeedsDevEval (75 
bugs)
AI      + poke QA guys to make this consistent (Stuart)
 
* Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy)
 
    + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart)
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding
        + it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it.
        + need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g.
          + visual design (color scheme, icons)
          + StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--)
          + placment or size of thumbnail views/template views 
          etc.
    + already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs
 
    + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
 
    + reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay)
    + now to spread the word more
AI      + put it online (Kendy)
 
* Insert Chart (Heiko/Jay)

    + 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing
    + http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-inserting-a-chart/
 
    + blog posted
    + discussion with Pedro - many issues solved
        + non-continuous charts request
    + much input from others too
    + concern about removing functionality - but acceptable if it is possible to tweak it a 
differen way / later
 
* Next Friday's design session (Jay)
 
    + 12pm UTC
    + Continue with last friday's insert chart discussion as it hasnt been completed
    + List of possible future topics
      
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Topic: Style guide - continued
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
        + like, where we want to rely on other guidelines, and what we want to design / decide
          ourselves
 
 * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) (340 bugs in ux-advice today)
 
    + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=---
    
    + everyone please feel empowered to look at that + act: reject, implement, decide, or bring to
      the meeting or mailing list if controversial
    + please be kind when closing requests, usually people have spent quite some energy filing that
 
    + Jay will go through the ux-advise bugs he has added (Jay)
    + to decrease the backlog, we should take ~5 easy to decide bugs to every meeting, and deal 
with them (Stuart)
AI      + the next meeting, let's try it - select few that are easy to deal with (Stuart)
        + might be good to track it in a doc (Jay)
            + pad might be enough - let's start with this in the pad for now (Kendy)
        + and for grouping, we can use meta-bug (Stuart/Kendy)
AI      + will parse the list and generate entries to the Design Pad--tdf# and title--and when 
added include
          in a BZ Meta (but put it in UI component) (Stuart)