Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-12-17

* Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy Steve, Stuart
 
* Completed Action Items:

    + Jay: Create a blog post to collect templates that we could
      pre-install.
      [ collected the categories, wrote up 2 paragraph for initial
        announcement, awaiting feedback now ]
        + Thursday - feedback + send to the marketing ML
        + Monday / Tuesday - go live with the announcement
        + please feel free to update (Jay)
        + pending on the Marketing now - too many announcements ATM
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Jay: Ask what is the plan with the templates on the new Extensions
      site
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation@global.libreoffice.org with the
      wiki page that collects changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental,
      somewhere in the user's profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Kendy: try to do a link to the Templates site for 4.4 - not too
      probable
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85420
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108377
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as
      a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
  
* UI changes integrated the last week:
 
    + Made (all) the dialogs that contain edit boxes resizable (Kendy)
    + Context menu crop activates interactive crop rather than crop
      dialog (Joel)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86627
    + Enable start from current slide and add its tango icons (Jay)
    + Swapping Yes/No order on Windows (Adolfo)
    + Icon / context menu entry for Format -> Image (Jay)
 
* Last week's discussions that need a resolution:
 
    + Reassigning F11 to full screen (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83467
        + wanted to have this resolved - old report (Jay)
        + many people seem to be against that (Kendy)
        + let's not change it (Stuart)
        + it's a bit different to full-screen in Firefox anyway (Stuart)
        + consensus: close as WONTFIX

    + Start center not using last window size (Qubit)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75644
        + would need to check the code (Kendy)
            + I recall there is some forcing of size (at least) but not
              100% sure (Kendy)
        + the user expected that it would open according to the last
          edit of that document (Stuart)
        + unclear if the proposed change brings enough better usability (Kendy)
            + but definitely it's quite a lot of work (Kendy)
        + suggest to keep as it is (Kendy)
        + room for improvement (Stuart)
            + but would be invasive (Stuart)
            + cannot have the configuration in the file format (Stuart)
                + maybe only in the recent documents (Kendy)
        + conclusion: WONTFIX probably, patches to improve situation
          won't be rejected though :-)

    + INDEX function returns #VALUE error when optional arguments are
      omitted (Qubit)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71325
        + Calc guys taking over - more a technical problem (Jay)

    + Instant tooltips in start center (Jay)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73327
         + should be the system setting (Heiko)
         + there is a setting that also hides the tooltip (for
           accessibility) (Stuart)
             + wow - a stupid option - should be system's setting (Heiko)
             + we should remove that, and use whatever is in the system (Heiko)
         + but the start center should be visually appealing (Steve)
         + actually it would be possible to shorten the paths in some
           clever way (Kendy)
             + evaluate if the documents have different names, etc. (Kendy)
         + not many places where you can get the entire URL (Stuart)
             + so it is useful to have the URL there (Stuart)
             + agreed (Jay)
         + conclusion: Let's keep it as it is, because:
             + not good to mess with the system settings / do something
               different than what are the system's settings
             + URL's are useful

    + Was the colored 'X' button in start center replaced with grayscale
      ones on purpose (Jay)
      In 4.4 and master, the start center 'X' button seems suitable for
      sifr
         + probably Adolfo changed that? (Stuart)
         + the red cross was there because I did not have a better
           icon :-) (Kendy)
         + actually red means "danger! stop!" (Jay)
             + ah right, Firefox uses red too (Kendy)
AI       + conclusion: Sync with Adolfo if he's OK with using red (but
           the same style) (Jay)

    + Should addition of border around an image have padding or not (Jay, Joel)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
         + the problem with this setting is that it makes the _image_
           smaller not that the border is _added_ to the (unscaled)
           image (Kendy)
             + consequently every time the border is > 0, then the image
               looks incorrect (Kendy)
         + conclusion: agree to change it to 0 as Jay suggests
             + because that way it does not distort the picture
AI:          + create Easy Hack (Kendy)

    + New windows stay in background, don't get focus (Heiko)
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75471
         + sounds as a bug :-) (Kendy)
         + if we get more duplicates, please MAB it
 
* QA <-> Design communication in bugzilla
 
    + Jay discussed with the QA guys now
    + they will suggest some guidelines (Jay)
        + basically will not touch anything ux-advise
    + fine with that for bugs reported by users (Stuart)
    + the question is what do _we_ do with all the ux-advise bugs? (Stuart)
        + what's the best? - bugzilla is great for backup (Stuart)
        + but for markups etc. it is not ideal (Stuart)
    + filing bugs himself when he wants to work on that (Jay)
    + some things are bugs without a question (Stuart)
    + as ux-advise / design, we should take some ownership there (Stuart)
        + concerned about overloading the Design team :-) (Kendy)
    + people can say anything - but question is if it is a good idea (Jay)
        + and the QA people don't know (Stuart)
    + QA should determine if it is a bug or a feature request (Stuart)
        + Cor + Stuart in both QA and Design actually (Stuart)
    + how many per week? (Kendy)
        + ~10 a week (Stuart)
        + that sounds bearable (Kendy)
    + not necessary to create a bug for every change (Kendy)
        + just go ahead & do that :-) (Kendy)
        + and report about that here in the meeting - if controversial,
          we can follow-up with the discussion

    + Bugzilla workflow proposal after the QA team meeting:
      1) issues opened as an enhancement of UX or in UI/Design elements
         should always be handled in Bugzilla UX-advise component.
      2) opened as UNCONFIRMED by anyone, or directly NEW by Design/UX
         team participants (including any Devs and QA folks)
      3) Design/UX team participants, or any QA review should go ahead
         and adjust the component to UX-advise and NEW
      4) Design/UX team should review proposal for completeness, ask OP
         for needed details, and add to weekly agenda
      5) while active, pending Design/UX consideration retain NEW, or
         NEEDINFO
      6) if/when "voted" down from UX or Design perspective, close as
         WONTFIX
      7) if/when approved--retain as NEW, but what then?

      Q: should we retain issues in BZ UX-advise, or change BZ component
         to UI as now happens, or change to the affected LO component? 
      Q: UI vs. specific component, any risk of losing track of
         Design/UX recommendations?
      Q: should we track the BZ issues on the Wiki anyway?
      Q: for Devs seeking quidance, how to communicate design or UI
         decisions?
      Q: any need to convey prioritization of ehancement or UI change,
         or impact on UX?
 
* Impress/Draw share code problem with sidebar (Jay)
 
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87405
        + minor, actually (Jay)
        + will have a look when fixing something in sidebars, but will
          not look specifically then (Kendy)