minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
    + Kendy, Michael M, Muthu, Andras, Noel, Robinson, Kohei, Cloph,
      Miklos, Markus, Stephan, David, Jan-Marek, floeff, Eike, Bjoern,
      Caolan, Michael S, Adam
 
* Completed Action Items:
    + poke wrt. FOSDEM / BetaCoworking - ask him (Kendy)
        [ Cor poked, seems they're happy to have us for 2x days,
          confirmed - and hoping to have some board rooms ]
    + get stats on bugzilla load / HW strength from Tollef (Robinson)
        [ queued up - HW is 2x machines, 2x VM's, each 8GB of RAM,
          front-end is couple of GB of RAM, but DB backend is 8GB,
          12 virtual CPUs to each ]
    + reach out to Tollef to organise bz migration date/time (Robinson)
        [ tentative date/time: Sat Jan 24th, 15:00 UTC - any problems ?
            + no mumering - go for it ].
    + FOSDEM paper submission ... [!] ... deadline tomorrow (Several)
        [ https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15
          submitted: Thorsten, Michael x2, Matus (not), Michael S, Miklos.
          not yet: Markus, Eike, Bjoern
          unknown: Jacobo, Adam ] 
    + ask Cedric what's up with libcmis (Miklos)
        [ mentioned on IRC: released a new up-stream version ...
          needs to be integrated into master & merge the feature-branch ...
          so getting there - no blockers, just work ].
AI:     + review libcmis branch & merge to master & 4.4 (Miklos)
    + move PDF signing out of 'experimental' in 4.4 (Tor)
    + encourage students to come to FOSDEM; travel funding for talkers (Jmux)
        [ sadly exams a week after, so 2x will come but
          not all & not to the hack-fest ].
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + fix BSA login / XML-RPC issues (Cloph)
        [ pending, Cloph workingon it ]
    + check Matus' startup performance measurement for layered images.zip (Kendy)
 
* Bugzilla migration update (Robinson)
    + BugZilla migration => Saturday, January 24, ~1600 UTC (~1700 Germany, Italy, France, ~1000 
East Coast)
    + going well
        + http://vm150.documentfoundation.org/
        + please test out your tools vs. that.
    + whining feature
        + sends you a list of bugs by E-mail periodically
        + does anyone use it ?
        + Thorsten had one setup - but not unhappy if it dies.
    + all going smoothly; all code in gerrit.
    + thinking about next steps etc.
      https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/projects/bugzilla
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
    + 4.2.8 release status
        + released as final tomorrow - on ML / TDF blogs
            + a rather quiet release
    + 4.4.0 Beta 2
        + released last week.
    + 4.4.0 RC1 - due to freeze next week - on Monday
        + string & UI freeze date, but not branch-off.
        + single review - from someone other than the committer
          to push to RC1 - cf. 4.3 branch etc.
        + Horribly late feature collection:
            + OneDrive / SharePoint bits
                + no objections to get it in for RC1 ?
            + OpenGL/CL JPEG de-compression to texture (jpeg-turbo patch)
                    [ patch still pending, kendy working on it ].
            + New Templates ...
    + 4.3.5 RC2 status
        + will be tagged later today; 5x patches in gerrit for the branch
        + cloph hunting for reviews later on IRC =)
    + Android / iOS Remote
        + Android on the Google Play
        + iOS - update translations, will be pushed too
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86780
      Windows Signatures: invalid after certificate expires
      (i.e. builds signed before April'14 won't validate)
        + how important it is to have old builds still valid?
        + sounds useful not to have that expiring quickly (Thorsten)
        + we have builds every ~month, so is there merit in the old builds? (Michael)
            + half a year old build at the end of life? (Thorsten)
        + 4.5.x will have a new certificate, but the previous 4.5.x-1 would be invalid (Cloph)
            + needless problems with the users? (Thorsten)
            + $200 does not sound that much for a longer term certificate (Thorsten)
                + let's just do it (Michael)
                + not a 'longer term', actually just does not expire
                + good => do it.
 
* Crashtest update (Markus)
    + expecting new hardware before Christmas.
    + got some new builds & a few new files, some new leads from Caolan & David
      on files for inclusion
         + validation results for ODS are >50% better
         + otherwise mostly constant.
 
* FOSDEM bits
    + when is the meeting ? (Norbert)
        + currently planned Mon / Tues (board meetings)
    + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + initial scheduling for 2015:
        + FOSDEM, Bruessels, Belgium -- February 2015 contact: Kendy/Cor
        + Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain -- March, 2015 contact: Bjoern
            + setup for GSOC etc.
            + contacted them - and plan to go ahead with that.
        + Cambridge, UK -- May 2015 contact: Michael
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
    + some nice improvements
        + 2x new people submitting their first patch
             + Mattias Põldaru, V Stuart Foote
        + lots of HIG fixes (Adolfo Jayme Barrientos)
             + switching some dialogs back to re-sizable
             + otherwise getting things straightened out
    + otherwise happy with 4.4
        + though a few smaller improvements there.
    + wanted to run a templates competition
        + can we still include them into 4.4 ?
             + request for late feature
             + should not be translated (Moggi)
 
* Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy)
 
* Jenkins update (Norbert)
 
* QA (Robinson)
    + UNCONFIRMED under 600
    + quiet as testing out 4.4
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46447
        + near duplicate of shambolic image loss bug (Michael)
        + would be nice to stop these hyper-long comments (Markus)
           + 50x lines of comments without new information is not useful
             reading that is very wasteful of dev. time.
           + ability to prioritise / hide comments perhaps in new BZ (Robinson)
 
* Bibisect update (Robinson)
    + was going to push yesterday, but wiki slow
    + it is up-loaded here:
        + http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/bibisect/linux/bibisect-44.tar.xz   
    + will mail the QA list shortly.
 
* Big drop in regressions: v. positive
    + Markus spent his last 2x weekends fixing calc regressions
 
* VNC logins on Hackfest image (Bjoern)
    + have awesome images for hackfests right now
        + if devs can work there; then can we get QA there ?
        + can we get VNC logins there ?
    + how hard/trivial is this ?
        + easy to do (Cloph)
        + X2go - available for Win/Mac/Linux
          https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/VMs/Using_a_VM
    + could we even have that for the Bug Hunting Session?
    + can Robinson test VM X2go flow ? (Bjoern)
AI:     + test this out & get good at setting this up (Robinson)
 
* pImpl vs. abstract base-classes (ABC) (Bjoern)
    + compiler test of ABC vs pImpl - no perf. difference
    + a matter of taste (Kohei/Bjoern)
    + also well worth splitting out constants / typedefs etc. (Michael)
        + lots of other cases to use.
 
* Performance (Bjoern)
    + SwNode / BigPtrArray foo ...
        + looked at how many SwNodeIndexes we register
           + ran with the unit test: 40k iterators registered in 1 document.
        + sounds really ... odd (but with debug builds)
    + looked at Kendy's branch too
        + best to solve the indexes thing first
        + indexes of whole array, so can't move anything around
          without changing it.
        + move SwNodeIndexes from the whole thing, to the
          index they're registered at.
    + is there a profile that shows we spend significant time
      in these node indexes (Michael S)
        + or is this a theoretical problem ?
        + valid question (Bjoern)
            + try to have some other data structure & see.
        + surely should profile before optimizing (Michael)
            + seen lots of silliness around, but not this yet.
    + purpose of Kendy's branch is to also move to something
      similar to a piece-table approach (Kendy)
        + to get somewhere closer.
    + which test-case is it ? (Miklos)
        + the one you mentioned had a lot of documents, in
          real-world docs - wouldn't be surprised.
        + bookmark: 2x indexes, red-lines 2x per red-line
        + other unit-tests had 1k -> 5k range (Bjoern)
            + may be a bug, or perhaps normal (Miklos)
 
* ODF plugfest update (Michael)
    + ~50 attendees, lots of SMEs & ~10x ODF implementations
    + Google - committed to improved ODF: 1.2
        + tested & latest Google Docs ODF is awesome:
          ODS has charts, styles, formats etc.
    + Lots of automated tests written (a lot by Andras)
    + Change tracking progress
    + Next plug-fest expected in June in the Netherlands
 
* QA stats:
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +134    -130        (+4 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Caolán McNamara     24
        Michael Stahl       10
        Jean-Baptiste Faure  9
        Eike Rathke          8
        Markus Mohrhard      7
        foss                 6
        Adolfo Jayme         6
        tommy27              6
        Miklos Vajna         5
        Julien Nabet         5
 
* Open 4.5 MAB
  + 0/1
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=86696&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 7/24 7/22 5/19 4/18 3/17 3/16 3/16 4/16 5/15 4/14 3/12 3/12 3/12 7/12
    29%  31%  26%  22%  17%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 84/146 58/117 33/90 19/73 17/65 16/64 16/64 15/63 16/63 16/60 17/61 16/60
     57%    49%    36%   26%   26%   25%   18%   23%   25%   26%   27%   26%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.2 MAB
  + 5/208 38/232 63/255 74/261 83/266 81/263 84/262 82/260 80/260 82/260 86/257
     2%    16%    24%    28%    31%    30%    32%    31%    30%    31%    33%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
  + 208/526 182/488 190/481 189/475 190/470 173/446 170/441 161/427 153/413
    + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 454(-19) bugs open of 3257(+9) total
        * ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 137 (-0)
           Spreadsheet -  93 (-10)
          Presentation -  30 (+0)
              Database -  27 (+0)
               Crashes -  26 (-5)
           Libreoffice -  25 (-1)
                    UI -  24 (+0)
               Drawing -  21 (-1)
              Graphics -  20 (-1)
               Borders -  20 (+0)
                 Chart -  14 (-1)
               Filters -  13 (-2)
           Print / PDF -  10 (-3)
                 BASIC -   5 (+0)
            Linguistic -   3 (+0)
          Installation -   3 (+0)
            Extensions -   3 (+0)
             framework -   2 (+0)
               Formula -   2 (+0)
                   sdk -   1 (+0)
        Impress Remote -   0 (+0)

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