Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

* Present: Caolán, Jacobo, Kendy, Andras, Miklos, Cloph, Muthu, Norbert, David, Bjoern, Robinson,
           Thorsten, LibreBaby, Michael S., Stephan, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
    + review https://gerrit #/c/11700/ (Andras, Caolan, Cloph etc.)
    + acquired magic number from Redhat (Caolan)
    + back-port calc sorting option to 4.3 - and drop the UI bits (Michael)
        [ pending review by Eike? ]
    + comment & close fdo#84352 for 4.4 (Norbert)
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + Ask Bjoern B. to do a survey on the wrench icons (Kendy)
    + get BZ migration roadmap done before Seattle Hackfest (Robinson)
        + https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/591
    + get a clear use-case & description of what doesn't work vs. master wrt. Calc sorting (JBF)
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
    + 4.2.7 RC2
        + tagged yesterday, still building on Windows
        + will be announced later today
    + 4.3.3 RC2 is in ~1x weeks.
        + anything open there? (Bjoern)
            + quite a few for 4.3.x, but nothing for 4.3.3
    + 4.4
        + tomorrow the 1st Alpha: from master
        + feature freeze 5 weeks away still
        + should we use VS 2013 for that?
            + not sure what's the current state in master
            + IIRC the idea was to use the same as LLVM - that is 2012 (Miklos)
            + maybe better C++11 support? (Norbert)
            + there was a compiler bug that was not present in 2013 (Cloph)
            + some benefits of using 2013 (Stephan)
            + tinderboxes? (Norbert)
                + have both on my tinderbox (Cloph)
                + what about others?
            + the idea of alpha is to test if the tooling is in shape (Kendy)
            + conclusion: let's try to build Alpha with 2013 & see
    + Android Remote
 
* Crashtest update (Miklos)
    + http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/86c4762790823c338f018fb2f06c4a5fa4497916/ 
(13-Oct-2014)
    + several hundred crashers caused by tools refactoring / boost (Miklos)
        + actually it was caused by another commit (David)
        + now fixed (Miklos)
        + the next round should be better again
    + the remaining is nothing outstanding

* Writer Regression Status (Bjoern)
    + went through the regressions (Bjoern)
    + 55 new worth bibisecting; the rest somehow bibisected or so pre-triaged
        + Norbert's new OSX bibisect repo going to the deeper history may be helpful too
AI      + take-away for QA: bring the prebibisect ones to the OSX QA guys (Robinson)
AI      + take-away for QA: focus on the ~half of these that is older than 2014-08 (Robinson)
    + some "regressions" are just a change of behavior
AI  + Andras will have a look at those identified to a SUSE bugzilla bugfix
    + if the original behavior was only by luck / chance, worth closing as wontfix (Bjoern)
    + need a bugzilla query for the bugs that have been bisected to a single commit (Miklos)
AI      + can do that (Bjoern)
        + we have a keyword "bisected", can use that for those with exact commit
           + done: 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&component=Writer&keywords=bisected%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=481507&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced
 
* LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern)
    + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over
        + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern)
        + Bjoern can do that at the time of the tag, but then is traveling
    + will update the baseline to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
        + and not add to the 10GB 43all repo. Lets start a new repo with this release and baseline
        + we are still stuck with gcc 4.6 anyway (Stephan)
    + the old binary will still work on the 14.04 LTS (Norbert)
    + use Amazon's EC2? (Cloph)
        + can only update the baseline, and run it, nothing more (Bjoern)
 
* Hackfests
    + Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson)
        https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Seattle_LibreFest
        + October 26, 2014
        + ~20 people anticipated
        + Cloph can provide virtual machines for the hackfest on EC2
AI          + poke Cloph for access (Robinson)
        + Robinson will bring the bibisect repo locally, so that it is not
          necessary to download 10G
    + Toulouse Hackfest (Arnaud)
        + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
        + more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
        + budget reserved (Eur 2k) - poke Bjoern.
                + [ just booked - Michael ]
    + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
        http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/
        + jmux (IRC) can add you if you don't want to create an account
        + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
          just show up etc.
           + November 21st-23rd, 2014
           https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich
           + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
                + [ just booked - Michael ]
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
    + cut/copy/paste - going to have a survey
 
* Open-source related projects for a local university (Jacobo)
    + ~200-300 hours projects sought
    + ideas appreciated!
        + please send to the ML too :-) (Norbert)
    + GSoC ideas that did not materialize yet? (Kendy)
        + the time shorter than GSoC - so only smaller ones (Miklos)
    + has to be mentored in Spanish unfortunately, so just Jacobo mentoring
        + potential for 1-2 only
 
* QA (Robinson)
    + UNCONFIRMED bug count down to 799
    + NEW bug count down to <7800 (<5600 excluding enhancements)
    + nothing serious on the radar otherwise
    + will make sure to check the MAB's for 4.3 (Robinson)
 
* QA stats:
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +129    -122        (+7 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Caolán McNamara     20
        Jean-Baptiste Faure 16
        Julien Nabet        11
        Cor Nouws            6
        tommy27              5
        raal                 4
        Samuel Mehrbrodt     4
        Jay Philips          4
        Adolfo Jayme         4
        Andras Timar         4
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 5/15 4/14 3/12 3/12 3/12 7/12 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 16/63 16/60 17/61 16/60 14/59 15/58 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47
     25%   26%   27%   26%   23%   25%   22%   24%   26%   28%   23%   29%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.2 MAB
  + 80/260 82/260 86/257 88/257 89/257 91/257 86/252 82/245 83/244 83/243
     30%    31%    33%    35%    34%    35%    34%    33%    34%    34%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
  + 153/413 154/410 147/401 143/392 143/389 146/385 142/375 141/374 136/361
    + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 484(-4) bugs open of 3109(+10) total
        * ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 147 (-4)
           Spreadsheet -  95 (-1)
          Presentation -  32 (+0)
               Crashes -  32 (+1)
              Database -  25 (+0)
               Drawing -  24 (+5)
                    UI -  24 (+1)
           Libreoffice -  24 (+0)
              Graphics -  22 (-1)
               Borders -  19 (+0)
               Filters -  18 (+0)
           Print / PDF -  14 (+0)
                 Chart -  10 (+0)
            Extensions -   5 (+0)
            Linguistic -   4 (+0)
          Installation -   4 (+0)
                 BASIC -   4 (-1)
               Formula -   3 (-1)
             framework -   1 (+0)
                   sdk -   0 (+0)
        Impress Remote -   0 (+0)
  + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )