Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

Sorry I couldn't join today.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@collabora.com>
wrote:

> * Present:
>     + Jacobo, Kendy, Michael M, Ptyl, Miklos, Stephan, Muthu, Jan-Marek
>       Andras, Robinson, Norbert
>
> * Completed Action Items:
>     + merge the web plugin patch after the conference (Stephan)
>         [ done and in the 4.4 release notes ]
>     + massage plan wrt. FOSDEM dev-rooms (Thorsten)
>         [ working around a joint dev-room ]
>
> * Pending Action Items:
>     + Ask Bjoern to do a survey on the wrench icons (Mirek)
>     + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
>     + open-source newer Synezip tests (Umesh)
>         [ Plan to run these on a server on the cloud service,
>           announce the results in the ESC meeting. ]
>     + provide wiki links for new processes for design interation (Mirek)
>     + poke Alex wrt. off-site backup for TDF services (Cloph)
>
> * Release Engineering update (Robinson)
>     + 4.3.2 RC1 - status
>        + currently staged, and has been announced, pushing to mirrors
>        + following the steps, but the builds worked.
>     + 4.2.7 - due in week 40 - 29th Sept freeze.
>     + Android Remote
>
> * Crashtest update (Miklos)
>     + a run during the conference, detected some writerfilter issues, now
> mostly fixed.
>          + run interrupted by security update / re-boot
>          + VM state not preserved across re-boots
>          + new-run ongoing - will be announced on list.
>
> * New baseline aka C++11 (Jan-Marek)
>     + Thread start:
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-September/063326.html
>     + Previous baseline: gcc 4.1.2 (2007-02-13)
>     + Current baseline: at least gcc 4.8.1 (2013-05-31)
>     + There was additional discussion on IRC (2014-09-18)
>     + There had been previous discussions in May 2014 ESC calls
>     + Tinderboxes (TBs) now based on RH 5 + RH Developer Toolset 2.x
>     + "Official" baseline announced as gcc 4.7
>     + "Official" announcement - you'll need gcc 4.7+ to compile LO 4.4
>     + LOconf14 talks regarding C++11
>         - I didn't get the fact the introduction is due for LO 4.4
>     + And the TBs moved the compiler / build tool baseline actually to gcc
> 4.8[.0] (release: 2013-03-22)
>         - TBs actually run 4.8.n (n > 0)
>         - Basically drops support for all distros > 2 years old
>             - Ubuntu 12.04 has gcc 4.6
>                 - I know there are PPAs
>                     -
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
>                       Just contains offical release toolchains - no
> updates!
>                     -
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test
>                       Unsupported (@see Workarounds) and not up to date
> with any baseline
>                 - I know there is an unsupported 4.7.2 in precise-updates
> (universe)
>         - Already had an incompatibility bug
>             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/11501/
>     + Since last week master requires gcc-4.7 (Stephan)
>         + still works with gcc-4.6 - for now.
>         + a bug introduced recently, fixed already thanks to Jan Marek
>         + these things happen whatever the tinderboxes uses
>         + just a function of the diverse compiler set we have.
>     + Building master on old Ubuntu (Stephan)
>         + building on 12.whatever - we broke that
>         + for the TDF baseline builds, CentOS 5 - we use a devtools
>           toolchain with a related compiler & binaries that run on the
>           baseline - apparently not available for Ubuntu.
>     + Old versions of distros / not compiling master (Stephan)
>         + was not seen as an issue by the distro people.
>         + master will only go into recent versions of distros.
>         + so we have a 12.4 build problem, and need a solution for this.
>     + If gcc-4.6 is needed - perhaps it works (Stephan)
>         + we have to subset the C++11 features anyway (Kendy)
>         + only feature missing in 4.6: delegating constructors (Stephan)
>             + 'override' and 'final' - we have macros for them anyway.
>         + possibly some std::library features not implemented in 4.7
>         + from the core-language, all that is missing is delegating
> constructors
>         + happy with that (Jmux)
>         + do we get enough new goodness then ? (Michael)
>             + sure we get tons - lots of goodies.
>             + clang use 4.7 as their bootstrap baseline
>     + can we have a tinderbox running gcc-4.6 (Miklos)
>         + without that, sooner or later someone will break it.
> AI:     + setup a LiMux based tinderbox (Jmux)
> AI:     + send Jmux some tinderbox pointers (Norbert)
>             + some good slides from the conference on this (Jacobo)
>
> * Hackfests (Robinson)
>     + Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson)
>         https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Seattle_LibreFest
>         + October 26, 2014
>         + Bug-triaging/Intro-to-community event
>         + Following SeaGL conference
>         + definite interest, heard back from some professors from the
> security lab
>         + want to meet Norbert and/or Kohei - why not go ?
>     + Toulouse Hackfest ...
>         + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
>         + more details:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
>     + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
>         http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/
>         + jmux (IRC) can add you if you don't want to create an account
>         + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
>           just show up etc.
>            + November 21st-23rd, 2014
>            https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich
>            + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
>     + Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern)
>
> * Commit Access
> AI: + get Samuel Mehrbrot access again (Michael)
>
> * Opening up the ESC calls (Michael)
>     + not everything but most - bridge 2x calls 1x private, 1 public via
> the G+ hangout ?
>     + not v. fond of public recording issue (Norbert)
> AI:     + see if Florian / talkyo can provide a public / non-recorded room
> (Michael)
>     + some topics eg. security, commit access still need to be private.
>
> * UX Update (Astron / Mirek)
>     + use of redmine discussion - issues / benefits.
>
> * QA (Robinson)
>   + un-confirmed bug count climbing again - just over 900
>     + Robinson distracted by releng while Cloph on vacation
>   + otherwise mostly quiet.
>
> * QA stats:
>   + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
>     +143    -93        (+50 overall)
>     many thanks to the top bug squashers:
>         Caolán McNamara    13
>         Jean-Baptiste Faure 10
>         Adolfo Jayme         8
>         Michael Meeks        5
>         raal                 5
>         Jan Holesovsky       3
>
> * Open 4.4 MAB
>   + 3/12 7/12 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1
>   +
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1
>
> * Open 4.3 MAB
>   + 14/59 15/58 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47 14/45 19/43 10/32 6/27
>      23%   25%   22%   24%   26%   28%   23%   29%   33%   44%   31%   22%
>   +
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1
>
> * Open 4.2 MAB
>   + 89/257 91/257 86/252 82/245 83/244 83/243 84/236 85/235 82/229 81/222
>      34%    35%    34%    33%    34%    34%     35%    36%    35%    36%
>   +
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1
>
> * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
>   + 143/389 146/385 142/375 141/374 136/361 127/349 119/331 102/308 92/296
>     + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
>
> * all bugs tagged with 'regression'
>     + 457(+0) bugs open of 3042(+13) total
>         * ~Component   count net *
>                 Writer - 138 (+2)
>            Spreadsheet -  91 (+2)
>                Crashes -  30 (-4)
>           Presentation -  29 (+0)
>            Libreoffice -  25 (-1)
>               Database -  25 (+0)
>               Graphics -  23 (+0)
>                     UI -  20 (-2)
>                Borders -  19 (-1)
>                Filters -  15 (+0)
>                Drawing -  13 (+0)
>            Print / PDF -  12 (+0)
>                  Chart -   9 (+1)
>                  BASIC -   5 (+0)
>             Extensions -   5 (+0)
>             Linguistic -   4 (+0)
>           Installation -   4 (+0)
>                Formula -   4 (-1)
>              framework -   1 (+0)
>                    sdk -   0 (+0)
>         Impress Remote -   0 (+0)
>   + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
>
> --
>  michael.meeks@collabora.com  <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot
>
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