minutes of in-person ESC call ...

* Present:
    + A room full of people in person.
 
* Completed Action Items:
    + ask UX advise wrt. wrench icons (revert or not ?)
        [ now they're they're grey - they're ok (Mirek)
          There are now two wrenches in writer next to each other (Caolan)
AI:       Ask Bjoern to do a survey on this ]
    + get work / screenshots into the 4.4 feature list (Mentors ask students)
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
        [ not merged the patch either to remove them (Caolan)
          we remove only the plug LibreOffice into a browser (Stephan/Miklos)
          won't work in FF3 / wayland anyway (Caolan)
AI:       merge the patch after the conference (Stephan) ]
    + open-source newer Synezip tests (Umesh)
        [ Plan to run these on a server on the cloud service,
          announce the results in the ESC meeting. ]
    + massage plan wrt. FOSDEM dev-rooms (Thorsten)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
    + 4.2.6-security release announced
        + getting notifications of updates.
    + 4.3.1 released early too
        + build issues with the VM, requiring re-starts.
    + rest of release schedule un-affected
    + 4.3.2 RC1 - branch off at the conference.
        + 11 patches in gerrit waiting for review.
        + plan to branch & tag at hack-night tomorrow.
                + good to learn how that's done there.
    + 4.2.7 - due in week 40 - 29th Sept freeze.
    + Android Remote
 
* Crashtest update (Markus)
    + http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/66c6d1ef204f3507e7663a1b8b1be05b9ec71092/
        + new results look a little bit better
        + 664 export crashers, 78 import crashers
        + few more import crashers, few fewer export.
 
* Wikihelp (Kendy)
    + getting mental traction
    + Need to merge Markus' extended tooltips
        + 3rd .po file - next to UI, normal help etc.
        + can we merge them all into the .ui files ? (Caolan)
            + as part of help - lots of incomplete translations (Kendy)
            + avoid annoying translators.
            + so have a new .po file, to avoid undue irritation.
        + done as a normal key/value file (Markus)
            + extended tooltips for non-dialogs too.
    + Improve conversion to wiki markup, to finally kill the
      original XML description.
        => use wiki as the source, and have metadata in there.
        + indexing in Javascript - to search for help terms
          in your browser.
            + so could ship off-line.
        + apparently a javascript-lucene-alike needed for searching
          used by OpenStack / on-line help.
    + switch to a different way to translate them: not pootle
      but the mediawiki translate toolkit - from mediawiki (?)
        + lots of benefits.
        + but help is full of conditional help / snippets (Andras)
        + 500k words ...
 
* Move to using gettext natively (Caolan)
    + .src format not needed much longer
        + could move to .po files
        + use the boost / gettext impl' at run-time
        + compile with gettext.
        + needs bootstrapping
    + would we be able to preserve context ? (Caolan)
        + more context is possible (Andras)
        + if we moved to _("foo") - would that work ?
                + yes.
 
* Student Intern Programs & mentoring
    + GSOC
    + Munich
    + Semester of Code
        + no money / incentives etc.
        + selection process good for GSOC, rejecting people
          who havn't contributed a patch (Caolan)
 
* Easy Hacks / tasks ?
    + dialog conversion: now complete
        + Docking windows need merging (Caolan)
    + scanbuild - vs. debugging version
        + can be used to find old style DBG_ASSERTs and
          replace with 'asserts'
    + crashtest:
        + fixing validation issues pwrt. DOCX
            + necessary to un-block via Miklos' export fix:
                    + fast sax writer should ideally has a
                      mechanism to mark a start & end, and sort
                      elements according to a pre-defined order.
        + crash fixes
        + running the crash-tester though asan should find a lot.
        + bite-sized distribution across tinder-boxen - student
    + Coverity - not really suitable for easy hacks (Caolan)
        + remaining, un-checked return codes / exception foo
    + UX tweaks
        + thoughts of collecting them on redmine
    + replace chunks of basegfx with glm
        + nicer co-ordinate / matrix stuff there
        + uses float not double, header based library
        + basic types / algorithms etc.
        + may cause some merging issues (Thorsten)
            + a feature ? (Moggi)
        + VCL all integer based, hence ratios etc. (Thorsten)
            + so no impact on basegfx.
    + performance / profiling bits
    + UNO constructors
        + still more to be done - helps size - 500x or so.
 
* Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy)
    + waiting until ~September after the conf.
 
* UX update (Mirek)
    + starting to use RedMine instead of the design mailing list
        + using it to track issues that have an implementor
            + migrating some issues from bugzilla -> RedMine
              in this case.
        + what is RedMine ? (Tor)
            + like a project management thing; allows attachments etc.
            + nicer to work through than mailing lists
            + can follow using E-mail too
            + can watch the forum etc.
        + trialing it for a month
            + wait a week, any comments / concerns.
        + concerned wrt. double bug tracking (Bjoern)
            + please also update the see-also to cross-link.
        + just using it internally, with forums to discuss things
            + pages should cross-link
        + deprecating ux-advise too (Mirek)
        + The plan:
           + delete design & ux-advise lists.
           + a week to scream ...
        + Need to make this discoverable (Bjoern)
        + How about backup ? (Norbert)
    + a new interested person wrt. icon contributions
    + project ongoing to categorise icons
        + making them easier to edit / design etc.
        + if we notice a missing icon, how do we ask ? (Caolan)
           + ux-advise - can we ask there ? (Michael)
           + best to poke the forum (Mirek)
        + helps to ensure consistency: the same 'folder'
          elements eg.
        + using the sheets for new tango icons
        + trying to encourage Sifr to use git not e-mail
        + done with rectangles with id & layers
        + would like real HiDPI icons (Kendy)
    + need for more people in the design team
        + as always.
    + new processes for design interation in the wiki too.
AI:     + provide links (Mirek)
 
* Concern wrt. TDF disaster-recovery & backups (Norbert)
    + old lists / bugzilla replicated over the internet.
    + new stuff backed up but in same site (Cloph)
AI: + poke Alex wrt. off-site backup (Cloph)
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson)
        https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Seattle_LibreFest
        + October 26, 2014
        + Bug-triaging/Intro-to-community event
        + Following SeaGL conference
    + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
        http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/
        + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
          just show up etc.
           + November 21st-23rd, 2014
           https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich
           + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
    + Toulouse Hackfest ...
        + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
        + more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
    + Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern)
 
* QA (Robinson)
    + as on Thursday.
 
* Lightning Talks (Kendy)
    + everyone needs one lightning talk - 2x sessions
    + 3 minutes long - see Kendy & give him slides.
 
* UX Update (Astron / Mirek)
 
* QA stats:
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +153    -98        (+55 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Maxim Monastirsky    9
        Urmas                7
        Eike Rathke          7
        Adolfo Jayme         6
        Julien Nabet         6
        foss                 6
        Guo Jinxian          5
        sophie               5
        Jean-Baptiste Faure  5
        Jay Philips          4
        Caolán McNamara      4
        Thomas Arnhold       4
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47 14/45 19/43 10/32 6/27 5/24 5/22 3/20
     22%   24%   26%   28%   23%   29%   33%   44%   31%   22%  20%  22%  15%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.2 MAB
  + 86/252 82/245 83/244 83/243 84/236 85/235 82/229 81/222 76/215 74/212
     34%    33%    34%    34%     35%    36%    35%    36%    35%    34%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
  + 142/375 141/374 136/361 127/349 119/331 102/308 92/296 84/283
    + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 446(+11) bugs open of 2990(+15) total
        * ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 133 (+10)
           Spreadsheet -  79 (+1)
               Crashes -  37 (+2)
          Presentation -  28 (+0)
           Libreoffice -  26 (+0)
                    UI -  24 (+0)
              Database -  23 (-1)
              Graphics -  23 (+0)
               Borders -  20 (+1)
               Filters -  15 (+0)
               Drawing -  15 (+1)
           Print / PDF -  12 (+0)
                 Chart -   8 (+0)
                 BASIC -   5 (+1)
               Formula -   5 (+0)
            Extensions -   5 (+0)
            Linguistic -   4 (+1)
          Installation -   4 (+0)
             framework -   1 (-1)
                   sdk -   0 (+0)
        Impress Remote -   0 (+?)
  + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )

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