minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Thorsten, Lionel, Joel, David, Michael M, Markus, Kendy, Ahmad,
          Andras, Kohei, Tsahi, Caolan, Stephan, Bjoern, Cedric, Petr

* Completed Action items:
        + double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike)
                [ Done. The two properties added to
                  com.sun.star.form.component.DataBaseListBox are
                  marked optional which doesn't harm existing clients. ]
        + Hackfest: connect to University of Hamburg (Eike)
        + Mac: open/save of odt broken (Stephan)
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58978
        + disable gallery building on Mac (Norbert)
        + enable coretext for 4.1 / Mac betas (Norbert)
        + printing options meta-bug creation (Joel)
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64679
        + Hackfest: promote it on http://www.meetup.com/find/ (Bjoern)
                [ stalled, needs a for-pay account ]
        + Hackfest: promote it on http://lanyrd.com/dashboard/ (Bjoern)
        + buy fast Windows build hardware (Norbert, Kendy)
                + bought two boxes
        + look at gradient issues (Caolan)
        + setup Mac hardware as tinderbox slave (Norbert)
                [ looking good, up and running, incremental one ]
                [ would be great to have a 10.6 build-bot (Stephan)
                        + came with 10.8 - havn't found one (Norbert) ]
        + find a good public ? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten)
                [ drop it for now, still on Thorsten's list ]
        + fix can't progress through the database wizard (Petr)
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62937
        + follow up certification invitations (Cert. team)
                [ sent out reminders, most responded ]
        + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
                + status from Cor (thanks !)
                + one issue (editing templates) looks solved
                + ideas for second (copying styles) looks promising
                  (but perhaps has code difficulties for 'copying' what
                   works in sw to sc)
                + input for third (visibility of various) still welcome
                  
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01658.html
                + and this split thread
                  
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01663.html

* Pending Action items:
        + feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron)
        + buy fast Windows build hardware (Markus, Thorsten)
AI:             + get info to Markus on what to get, or Hamburg Hackfest sync. (Thorsten)
        + kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus)
                [ in progress, several issues around it ]
        + revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad)
                [ busy the last weeks, starting next week ]
        + 4.1 issues:
                + fix gallery building on Mac (Michael?)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1
        + 4.0.4 rc1 - ** Monday **
        + 4.1 Beta1 status
                + done the Beta1 tag
                + created the libreoffice-4-1 branch
                        + any bug fixes without review still welcome there
                          until end of Beta period.
                        + features need tripple review.
                + Linux + Mac builds done, Windows pending
        + 4.1 - feature-freeze / retrospective / update
                + problems with public holidays on Monday
                + problems with release configuration (all-langs) vs.
                  fast tinderbox builds
                        + nice to have an all-langs Win32 tinderbox (Michael)
                + good to have more tinderboxes - 4x new ones coming.
                + good to share access to TDF machines to nurse them.
                + budget left for hosted Linux boxes - volunteers appreciated.
        + 4.1 MABs:
                + scroll right/left - pending a patch from Emir
                + superscript bug - Lubos chasing ...
        + 4.1 pending / watch features / issues
                + wiki page needs updating with features:
                        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1
                + match-case search (Andrzej)
                        + to merge to 4-1 (Michael)
        + should experimental features be exempt from the freeze ?
                + Kendy has a nice sidebar cleanup
                + how to determine that ? (Norbert)
                        + perhaps just a single review (Michael)
                + [ beta period single review ]

* QA update (Joel)
        + no hiccups, stable bug-count
        + Need_Advice bugs input appreciated
                + http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
                + closing the gap:
                        + +135  -127
        + working on stats for March / April
        + working on an bugs.freedesktop.org navigation video (Joel)
        + what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ?
                + bring them up in ESC as/when added
                + http://tinyurl.com/atrr7xr
                + an OS/X bug ... - lots of dups.
                        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007
                        + Norbert already had a fix.
                        + input appreciated.

* Hamburg hack-fest (Thorsten)
        + Reminder to book travel
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2013
                + we have TDF travel budget $1k to spend
                        + approved Caolan, Michael, Thorsten
        + If you're coming - please add your name to the wiki
                + helps with food ordering
AI:             + add KACST guys to wiki (Ahmad)

* Report from San Francisco meet-up (Bjoern)
        + not a large number of participants, but just a first meet-up
                + all interested, more permanant presence needed
        + more promotion needed next time

* gerrit mails decision (Bjoern / Kendy)
        + find out how many subscribers on the dev list (Kendy)
                + 598 full mails and 186 digest guys
        + Proposed compromise: (decide on it next time)
                + build a daily digest of submitted patches -> dev list
                        + with commit messages, authors, links etc.
                + turn other notifications off
                + better document the gerrit mail / notification settings
                + encourage people who want to see everything to do that.
        + concern around workload for gerrit sending lots
          more mail out (Norbert)
                + suck it and see for a week (Michael)
        + Go with the compromise
AI:             + get the digest bits setup (Bjoern)
                + already have a script by David for that, put that
                  into the dev-tools/ repository bikeshedding there.

* GSOC update (Cedric)
        + handled and retained two duplicate students so far
                + de-duplication meeting tomorrow
        + no notification of students until Google announce that
                + by May 27th - students will know.
        + smooth progress - thanks to Cedric + Fridrich

* UX input
        + no-designer around.

* Better communication / hangouts / webcams (Michael)
        + google hangouts restrict us to 10x people
        + video/audio mix is possible
        + try next time to fuse a hangout + the existing dial-in
AI:     + send gmail contact details to Michael to build a circle (All interested)

* Scattered dependent packages issues (Bjoern)
        + minor LibreOffice updates often require a slew of
          other minor package updates around the wpd* set
                + do we have any visibility into if this might
                  cause regressions
        + no good ideas how to solve it
        + for SUSE (Petr)
                + we build them bundled for older products
                + don't have big problems updating the set otherwise
        + could use the bundled versions, but against Debian policy (Bjoern)
                + could ask for exceptions for wpd* - unlikely to work well
        + could fix by not updating requirements in configure (Petr)
                + all ABI back-compatible within the series (Michael)
        => recommend to keep binary compat in the major series after x.y.2
           and stick with old versions in releases (if possible)
                + if not possible, mail Bjoern.

** Hard Hacks - re-visit (Joel / Bjoern)
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
        + lots of progress - but mostly by fixing MABs
                + calc slot 'open' for weeks.
        + QA call mostly ok with sunsetting it, did it's job
          for it's time (Bjoern)
        + QA team has got bigger, and has been fixing prioritisation
          which does something similar (Joel)
        + The new 'need-advice' keyword helps the QA <-> Developer
          communication around hard (to confirm) bugs.

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
        + discussion about certified developer logo, do we have one ? (Stephan)
        + need to send certificates out.

* QA request - for areas to test (Joel)
        + need to have some areas to go dig at, that is easy to find
        + QA looked into 3.6.x series to see how many regressions happened
          within the series, work pending there.

* Open 4.1 MAB
        + 3 (of 23) older 4/17 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB
        + 16 (of 128) older 18/129 17/126 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111
             13%             14%    13%    14%     20%    19%    17%    16%    15%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 69 (of 231) older 71/229 72/228 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216
             30%             31%    32%    33%    33%    34%    33%    34%    36%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 36 (of 105) older 35/100 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78
                http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 304(+2) bugs open of 1553(+23) total

        * ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 100 (+3)
           Spreadsheet -  34 (+1)
          Presentation -  28 (-2)
           Libreoffice -  27 (+1)
               Crashes -  22 (+0)
              Database -  21 (-1)
               Drawing -  20 (+1)
               Borders -  14 (+0)
                 BASIC -   3 (-1)
             Migration -   3 (+0)

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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