minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Markus, David, Michael M, Norbert, Astron, Petr, Thorsten, Kohei,
          Eike, Stephan, Michael S, Bjoern, Kendy, Joel

* Completed Action Items
        + kill legacy stlport packaging (Stephan)
        + interactive android/remote debugging with Astron on IRC (Thorsten)
                + moved check-boxes etc. now working for Astron
        + remove Accessibility API use / sample from odk (Thorsten)
        + BSA: sanity check: version reported == last-known-working
          version is not a regression (Rob Snelders)
        + can BSA add the version to the comment as well (Rob Snelders)
        + update the 4.0 release notes wiki page to explain DocumentInfo (Michael S)
        + persuade Thorsten of final MSI / pkg naming / resting place (Kendy)
                + will switch with lodev -> libreoffice, unhelpful timing RC1

* Pending Action Items
        + [pending] add impress remote shots to features wiki page (Thorsten)
        + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
        + minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
        + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
        + need to rename the MIGRATED flag and unwind / test re-migration (Michael)
        + tweak the configure defaults (Kendy)
                + no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs
        + mail details on signing etc. to Caolan (Fridrich)
                + needs a GPG public key from Caolan, punted to Jan.

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 4.0 timeline:
                + Beta2 - thanks to all for bug fixes & build cleanups,
                  easy to build and tag on Tuesday.
                + trouble with the windows build performance & reliability
                        + binaries a bit later than usual, expected this week.
                + Beta2 is the last beta
                        + can push bug-fixes to 4.0 branch without review
                          until RC1
                        + any larger bug-fixes: good to do now.
                        + plan to branch libreoffice-4-0-0 2 weeks after RC1,
                          Jan 24th (for RC2)
        + completing generic / Linux builds -> RedHat (Caolan)
                + fdo#58165 - drop stdlibs foo

* UX input (Astron)
        + Impress-remote
                + needs a new whiteboard for some things that can be fixed
AI:             + some on-line help creation would be useful, help appreciated
                + TCP remote requires 'experimental' enabling
AI:                     + should we hide that in the app itself too ? (Thorsten)
        + template manager / progress (Cedric)
                + ongoing, still concern / discussion about UI
        + adding a first item (on the left) close button to the incremental
          search bar requested cf. firefox.
AI:             + update the existing bug to an easy-hack 58526 (Michael)
        + question from Mirek: update on ?
                + full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
                        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517
                + pending input from Caolan / Cedric / Michael S

* gnome-vfs / dependencies issues (Bjoern/Fridrich)
        + why is this not cleanly failing on Ubuntu latest ?
                + getting hangs on this
AI:     + disable gnome-vfs for now on linux builds for RC1 (Fridrich)
                + gio uses FUSE anyway by default these days
        + are these crasher guys installing the stdlibs packages ?
          could that be the result ?
                + going to drop stdlibs as/when RHEL5 build-bot
        + RHEL5 future:
                + could potentially build with newer glib => gio
                + new dbus menu bits conditional on gio - needs fixing
                  and a configure conditional.

* Tinbuild2 / callgrind performance testing (Norbert)
        + work ongoing, needs more integration / logging bits

* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
        + need to audit bug fixes for non-triviality & ask
        + work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
                + mail proposed, needs review, grammar checking & work underway

* removing generic backup-file names from .gitignore (Norbert)
        + anything not created by the build should be not be in .gitignore
        + git clean doesn't work well due to .gitignore (Fridrich)
                + on windows cygwin core files are big & need removing
        + .gitignores are stackable ? can have ~/.gitignore (Stephan)
        + not want to be too strict - leave generic *~ stuff (Norbert)
AI:     + remove overly lame .gitignore entries (Norbert)

* FOSDEM schedule - volunteer needed: (Markus)
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2013
        + Easy QA introduction: bug triage etc. 15mins
AI:             + ask Cor/Sophie/Florian R if they would take this one (Thorsten)
                + Joel volunteers to produce slideware
AI:     + how to debug spreadsheet file-format issues (Markus)
AI:     + how to debug writer file-format issues (Miklos)
AI:     + add: language-tags how they clean up our l10n story (Eike)
AI:     + types.rdb removal / re-writing (Stephan)
AI:     + hacking on the new android / impress-remote (Thorsten)
AI:     + hacking on CMIS / the new template dialog (Cedric)
AI:     + misc. new interop. feature and their development (Tibby)

* Features - please update:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0
AI:     + add the Templates UI there (Cedric)

* 4.0 completed tasks:
        + remove Accessibility API use / sample from odk (Thorsten)
        + disable legacy stlport packaging for Linux + Mac (Stephan)
                + can we extract the stlport dll from Beta1 and provide
                  a release-note about Duden ? (Fridrich)
                + leave for a few RC's and see what happens (Thorsten)
                + Rene is removing stlport conditionals in Debian (Bjoern)

* 4.0 pending tasks
        + binfilter:
                + warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
        + drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902
                + lots of cleanup in configure
        + MSI file re-name to be renamed for 4.0 LibreOffice (Kendy)
                + pain / fixing for PHP / download scripts (Thorsten)
        + user migration path thought / testing (Michael)
                + still issue with 'MIGRATED' flag, esp. on Windows + Mac
        + Unix / LDAP addressbook support disappeared:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57417
                + close that wontfix & release-note it ?
        + Mac build / signing (Norbert/Thorsten)
                + technical problem of how to sign it all without
                  signing each package ?
                + Windows build / postprocess now signing every
                  binary in Beta2 (Fridrich)
AI:             + can we re-use that for Mac (Thorsten)

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
        + developers need to decide what to do next
                + punting for a month ?
        + re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
        
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
        + mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.

* QA update (Joel)
        + BSA update
                + Rob Snelders - a hero, fixed everything we asked for.
        + Testing Marathon (QA)
                + 10x new guys in the chat-room helping out
                + 3-5 new people helping out which is great
AI:             + get update with stats for wordpress to Michael (Joel)
                + no about 70 unconfirmed bugs vs. 4.0
                + be nice to see how Moztrap worked out (Bjoern)
        + QA no more meetings until mid January
        + .net framework, multiple installation bugs in Windows
                + people without the new .Net can't install
                + error message sublimely generic and unhelpful.
                + before building with .Net 2.0, but new compiler produces
                  newer assemblies. Can we force the new compiler to build
                  old bytecode ? not with the MS compiler (sadly)
AI:             + still chasing the issue - not for B2 (Tor / Fridrich)
        + fixed Joel's favourite bug of the week:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57953
        + -very- impressed & pleased by the QA work in bugzilla (Michael)
                + bisecting down to a single git hash in many cases -
                  just excellent work ! - thanks to guys who did that.
        + currently have six bibisected bugs open:
                
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=status_whiteboard&list_id=191429&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&v1=bibisected40&product=LibreOffice

* No meeting next week (Michael)

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
        + 13 (of 48) older 13/41 9/34 10/34 11/31 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
             27%            32%  26%   29%   35%   29%  22%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 37 (of 164) older 34/160 35/158 32/153 31/152 33/150 34/148 35/145 33/139
              23%            21%    22%    21%     20%    22%    23%    24%    24%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 50 (of 266) older 54/268 62/277 64/279 65/279 65/278 69/278 69/279 75/278
              19%            20%    22%    23%     23%    23%    25%    25%    27%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 230(+11) bugs open of 1030(+30) total

        * ~Component   count net *
        + Writer       - 87 (-7)
        + Presentation - 24 (+1)
        + Spreadsheet  - 21 (+4)
        + Crashes      - 21 (+4)
        + Database     - 16 (+1)
        + Drawing      - 15 (+2)
        + LibreOffice  - 17 (+3)
        + Borders      - 10 (+1)
        + Basic        - 4  (-1)
        + Migration    - 5  (+0)
        + Writer / RTF - 4  (+1)

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

* Punted items until 2013:

+ fdo#49306 FILEOPEN catastrophically bad import of one specific .doc (Lionel)
        + waiting for Lionel.

+ presenter-console patches to back-port to 4.0 ? (Ahmad)
        + can we get a set of hashes of patches we need from master in 4.0 ?
        + how is that going ?

+ Widget layout localisation performance
        + lots of .ui files to localise per language slow ...

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