minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Stephan, Petr, Bjoern, Caolan, Kohei, Michael M, Eike, Joel,
          Lionel, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items
        + add completed technical 4.0 changes to features wiki page (Michael M)
        + grok the list of contributors for suitable certified hackers (Kendy)
                + have a list of people <-> bugs to process.
        + come up with a proposal for UNO breakage / ns timestamps (Stephan, Michael S, Lionel)
                + punt to next time
        + setup LibreOffice 4.1 schedule in the wiki (Petr)
        + check stlport situation with DudenCorrector (Thorsten)
                + thorough testing with Beta1 & stlport removed planned
                + should get rid of stlport on all platforms in anticipation

* Pending Action Items
        + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
        + minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
        + work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
                + [ in progess ]
        + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
        + tweak the configure defaults (Kendy)
                + no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs
        + persuade Thorsten of final MSI / pkg naming / resting place (Kendy)
        + update the 4.0 release notes wiki page to explain DocumentInfo (Michael S)
                http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Extensions_.2F_API_changes
        + kill legacy stlport packaging (Stephan)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 4.0 timeline:
                + Monday is the deadline for Beta2
                + ideally the last deadline for delayed features
                + still no double etc. review needed until we get to RC1
        + 3.6.4 retrospective
                + a good release, needed an rc3 only down to a minor slip
        + please don't forget to cherry-pick fixes from master -> 4.0 -> 3.6
                + 3.6.5 - in January 14th
        + completing generic / Linux builds -> RedHat (Caolan)
AI:             + mail details on signing etc. to Caolan (Fridrich)
                + fdo#58165 - drop stdlibs foo

* UX input (Astron)
        + testing the Android remote
                + issues getting it connected, Android 2.3 + openSUSE
AI:             + interactive debugging on IRC (Thorsten)
        + question from Mirek - someone to look into
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517
                + full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
        + template manager design concerns (Cedric)
                + ongoing discussion for 4.0
                + old design file->templates->organise, new->templates & documents
                + new template manager replaces the latter, needs work
                  to replace the 'organise' function; seems similar but
                  really isn't.
                        + missing fn is importing styles into documents.
                + at least the common UI is much improved.

* un-publishing DataPilot APIs (Kohei)
        + struggled to remove bits from types.rdb
                + done - thanks to Michael S.

* gnome-vfs / dependencies issues (Bjoern)
        + if adding libbonobo is the solution then we have the wrong problem
        + causing crash-on-starts etc. - bin it for gio ...
        + we need to get rid of gnome-vfs in our downloadable build
                + no gio in RHEL5 base-line ...
        + punt till next time - Fridrich input required.
                + could potentially build with newer glib
                + new dbus menu bits conditional on gio (Bjoern)

* bibisect build / brokenness (Bjoern)
        + 262 builds in a single bibisect repo 4GB small ...
        + poor download speed: 100k/sec (Joel)
        + bibisect could be improved to avoid compiling the center
          of back-to-back checkouts
        + some 1/4 of random checkouts don't build successfully

* Disabling Office 95 export filters (Brian Q)
        + disable word 6 export ? (Caolan)
        + why are people even selecting that ?
        + decided: disable it for now, leave code in in case of
          screaming for a release or so (agreed)

* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
        + ongoing work as above.

* Features - please update:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0
                + with screenshots / feature details ...
AI:             + add impress remote shots (Thorsten)

* 4.0 completed tasks:
        + un-publishing of data-pilot interfaces (Kohei)
        + liblangtag - fixed wrapper to not require loading until started (Eike)

* 4.0 pending tasks
        + binfilter:
                + warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
        + drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902
                + lots of cleanup in configure
        + remove Accessibility API use / sample from odk (Thorsten)
        + MSI file re-name to be renamed for 4.0 LibreOffice
                + also rename the Linux download tar-balls (Fridrich)
                + and Mac packages.
                + causes some pain for download scripts (Thorsten)
                + getting installer up on download list, other
                  shuffling is painful
                + LibO not a great truncation - branding-wise.
                + persuade Thorsten of final resting place goodness (Kendy)
        + user migration path thought / testing (Stephan)
                + seems to work nicely; modulo re-enabling of explicitly
                  disabled extensions post migration
                + if it is not going to work it'll be disabled again during
                  registration.
                + still issue with 'MIGRATED' flag, esp. on Windows + Mac
AI:             + need to rename the MIGRATED flag and unwind re-migration (Michael)
        + disable legacy stlport packaging for Linux + Mac (Stephan)

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
        + developers need to decide what to do next
                + punting for a month ?
        + re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
        
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
        + mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.

* QA update (Joel)
        + include Android Remote in QA / testing day
        + PC World article had a write-up about test-week:
                
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2019594/help-improve-libreoffice-4-0-in-a-test-marathon-this-month.html
                + working on improving the wiki for the test-week
        + QA call tomorrow
        + more people showing up in IRC to help out
        + focused on getting test systems setup
        + a lot of stuff on fdo - lots of extremely technical bugs vs. 4.0
                + query 'UNCONFIRMED' vs. 4.0/4.0alpha/4.0beta
        + Joel's favorite bug of the week:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57953

        ** Requests for specific areas for QA appreciated **

        ** Wanted: Hackers/Helpers to hang out in #libreoffice-qa over the week **
                + please identify yourself in:
                
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Test_Marathon_LibreOffice_4.0#When:_December_14_to_19

* regressions spike explanation ? (Michael S)
        + UI of BSA - uses unfortunate terms - users specify
          their problem used to work in a previous version
        + what they mean is used it for actual work / or ambiguous
          formulation
        + writer: removed 'regression' from 8-10 bugs, filed by BSA,
          more or less obviously not regressions.
        + quick sanity check: version reported == last-known-working version
                + these are clearly nonsensical / not-regressions
AI:             + can we elide 'regression' from those in the BSA (Rob S?)
        + lots of users: updating their versions to latest
                + user expectation is that versions bump forwards
                + first version tested against ...
                + discuss it at QA call.
AI:     + can BSA add the version to the comment as well (Rob S?)
                + to avoid users double submitting that.

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
        + 13 (of 41) older 9/34 10/34 11/31 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
             32%           26%  29%   35%   29%  22%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 34 (of 160) older 35/158 32/153 31/152 33/150 34/148 35/145 33/139 30/132
              21%            22%    21%     20%    22%    23%    24%    24%    23%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 54 (of 268) older 62/277 64/279 65/279 65/278 69/278 69/279 75/278 77/279
              20%            22%    23%     23%    23%    25%    25%    27%    28%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 219(+4) bugs open of 1000(+26) total

        * ~Component   count net *
        + Writer       - 94 (+0)
        + Presentation - 23 (+0)
        + Spreadsheet  - 17 (+2)
        + Crashes      - 17 (-4)
        + Database     - 15 (-2)
        + Drawing      - 13 (+0)
        + LibreOffice  - 14 (+0)
        + Borders      - 9  (+0)
        + Basic        - 5  (+2)
        + Migration    - 5  (+0)
        + Writer / RTF - 3  (+1)

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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