minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Norbert, Ahmad, Eike, Stephan, Joel, Astron, Michael S, Fridrich,
          Kendy, Caolan, Tibby, Lionel, Michael M

* Action Items
        + get binary signing key to Caolan (Fridrich/Thorsten)
        + upgrade Win32 build baseline to VS 2010 - as per tinderboxes (Fridrich)

* Pending Action Items
        + add completed technical 4.0 changes to features wiki page (Michael)
                [ in progress ]
        + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
        + minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
        + grok the list of contributors for suitable certified hackers (Kendy)
        + work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
                + pending list of people to poke.
        + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
        + check stlport situation with DudenCorrector (Thorsten)
        + tweak the configure defaults (Kendy)
                + no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs
        + come up with a proposal for UNO breakage / ns timestamps (Stephan, Michael S, Lionel)
        + persuade Thorsten of final MSI / pkg naming / resting place (Kendy)

* UX input (Astron)
        + still working on the color picker
        + template manager design concerns (Cedric)
                + working to get it out of experimental mode
                + testing feedback, concerns about consistency
                  around double-click vs. click
                + ongoing discussion.
        + testing of android/remote-presenter appreciated

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 4.0 timeline: feature-freeze status
                + Beta1 tag, Linux, Mac-Intel built, Win/Mac-PPC building
                + smoke-testing looks promising.
                + thanks to everyone that worked on it.
                + perhaps the easiest Beta1 yet.
                + 1350 commits in the last two weeks since Alpha 1.
        + any pending features that missed the freeze ?
                + they need to be in Beta2
                + commit of fixes without review expected until RC1
                + Personas need a few more days & some UX review (Kendy)
                + features submitted to list / gerrit / without commit access
                  before the freeze should still be merged ...
                        + calc sort dialog change - got into 4.0
                + Lionel's base performance work being tested in his
                  private branch for merge; nails some MAB's
        + please don't forget to cherry-pick fixes from master -> 4.0
        + 3.6.4 retrospective
                + smooth release
                + good feedback from Rainer at least.
                + good to back-port MAB fixes from 4.0 to 3.6 as well
                + next release in January.
AI:     + setup LibreOffice 4.1 schedule in the wiki (Petr)
        + passing generic / Linux builds onto RedHat (Caolan)
                + 2nd VM setup - and all-lang configuration going well.
                + should finish tonight - mail the details.

* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
        + no action this week.

* Features - please update:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0
                + with screenshots / feature details ...

* API cleanup - naming of new namespace (Kendy)
        + concerned about css:: going in - not an ideal namespace
        + for master - consider: what is the ideal outcome, how do we want
          to be seen from the outside ?
                + internally the code, engineer so we don't have to
                  use any prefixes.
                        + lang:: uno:: etc.
        + if we have new names/aliases - we get problems (Stephan)
                + differences internal vs. external are painful
                + open to dropping css:: for internal use
        + some compiler breakage without css:: (Norbert)
                + system names conflicts with 4.0.1 compiler bugs (?)
        + decision: drop ::com::sun::star:: for internal use on master

* LGPL / mariadb mysql client library (Lionel)
        + identical C / client API:
          http://openquery.com/blog/mariadb-client-libraries-end-duallicensing
        + need a compatible C++ API / wrapper for existing code to work
          or mysql connector needs re-writing
                + that wrapper is useful - bringing us to a JDBC interface
        + volunteer(s) to help out here appreciated.

* 4.0 completed tasks:
        + binfilter - removed completely (Norbert)
                + removes legacy StarOffice 1.0->5.0 binary filters
                + leaves .sxw .sxi etc. zip formats
        + dropped migrationAnalysis (Norbert)
                + obsolete, not-built, code removed now
        + not removing Lotus Word Pro filter
                + no good technical reasons to.
        + should we switch to native gtk+/print for 4.0 ?
                + no: not complete for some features yet (Dtardon)
        + un-publish entire Accessibility API
        + upgrade bundled python to 3.3 (Michael S)
        + Mac / 10.4 / PPC dropping (Norbert)
                + document: deprecate 10.4/5 and raise base-line to 10.6 ?
                + just needs adding to the wiki.
        + librelogo - include but not as an extension (Timar)
                + package it on Linux separately in scp2 (Bjoern)
        + PDF import de-extension-ising (Stephan)
                + now easy to make into an optional deb/rpm
        + un-publishing / removing of selected IDL interfaces (Michael S)
                + mostly never implemented or bits removed in 2.0
                + only one that could cause trouble is DocumentInfo
AI:             + update the 4.0 release notes wiki page to explain (Michael S)
        + ODMA support dropped (Tor)
        + update base-line compiler for release builds to 2010 or 2012 ...
                + decision upgrade baseline to VS 2010 - as per tinderboxes (Fridrich)
        + tag binary .rdb files as deprecated component registration ?

* 4.0 pending tasks
        + un-publishing of data-pilot interfaces (Kohei)
        + binfilter:
                + warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
        + drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902
                + lots of cleanup in configure
        + remove Accessibility API use / sample from odk (Thorsten)
        + MSI file re-name to be renamed for 4.0 LibreOffice
                + also rename the Linux download tar-balls (Fridrich)
                + and Mac packages.
                + causes some pain for download scripts (Thorsten)
                + getting installer up on download list, other
                  shuffling is painful
                + LibO not a great truncation - branding-wise.
                + persuade Thorsten of final resting place goodness (Kendy)
        + user migration path thought / testing (Petr)
                + now possible to test it from 3.6 release to 4.0 dev builds
                + most of the configuration is migrated.
                + reading of no-longer used keys should work (Stephan)
                + Setup.xcu has some migration listing.
AI:     + disable legacy stlport packaging for Linux + Mac (Stephan)
        + com::sun::star::util::struct DateTime should be extended to ns (Lionel)
                + no firm proposal yet
                + idea floated - do it for 4.1
                        + no time to adapt all the base code for Beta2
                        + means introducing a real ABI break for 4.1
                + we intend to have a flexible ABI approach anyway (Stephan)
                        + so - postponed until we have resource to fix it.

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
        + developers need to decide what to do next
                + punting for a month ?
        + re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
        
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
        + mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.

* QA update (Joel)
        + is spike in tagged regressions down to BSA / triage improvements ?
                + unknown
        + triaging 4.0 bugs as the highest a priority
        + bug-hunting session starting Thur - last for a week:
                + finding bugs in 4.0
        + announcing on the user-list invitations to the QA call
        + trying to get a build of libreoffice-4-0

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
        + 9 (of 34) older 10/34 11/31 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
             26%            29%   35%   29%  22%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 35 (of 158) older 32/153 31/152 33/150 34/148 35/145 33/139 30/132 27/127
              22%            21%     20%    22%    23%    24%    24%    23%    21%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 62 (of 277) older 64/279 65/279 65/278 69/278 69/279 75/278 77/279 78/278
              22%            23%     23%    23%    25%    25%    27%    28%    28%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 215(+18) bugs open of 974(+38) total

        * ~Component   count net *
        + Writer       - 94 (+9)
        + Presentation - 23 (+3)
        + Crashes      - 21 (+3)
        + Database     - 17 (-2)
        + Drawing      - 13 (+1)
        + Spreadsheet  - 15 (+4)
        + LibreOffice  - 14 (+3)
        + Borders      - 9  (+0)
        + Migration    - 5  (+0)
        + Basic        - 3  (+1)
        + Writer / RTF - 2  (+0)

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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