minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Eike, David, Kendy, Astron, Markus, Stephan, Caolan,
          Bjoern, Michael M, Kohei, Thorsten, Joel

* Completed Action Items
        + fdo#55290 - master doesn't install on windows (dtardon)
        + build a list of Certified / developer names for Italo (Michael)
                + Kendy + Stephan + Bjoern => new L3 certification committee.

* Pending Action Items
        + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
        + issues to look into if we can
                + fdo#34548 - review Michael's patch (Thorsten)
                + fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten)
                + fdo#51023 - impress D&D crasher - (Radek)
        + set updater to get 3.5.0/1 -> 3.6.2 (Kendy)
        + create script / suggestions to parse Meeks minutes (Bjoern)
        + font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras)
                + patch / improvements coming from Astron
        + audit set of new / built-in fonts (Caolan)
        + get more details wrt. new hardware & connect (Norbert / Sophie)

* UI / design update (Astron)
        + discussion on the list, can we exchange the existing colors
          for the tango colors ?
AI:             + provide a new palette based on Tango (Alex?)
        + problems around not being able to select colors that
          are in a cell ? (Markus)
                + colors in the document - can't easily get back to
                  the previous palette.
AI:     + ask UX advise how to improve color management UI team (Markus)
                + should we add existing colors in the doc. to the list ?
                + can we use the a new color selection dialog mockup ?
                + tools->options for color selection.
        + image / corner scaling should keep aspect ratio to be fixed.
                + would love it to be fixed / file a bug for it ? (Astron)
        + need developer input on options dialog re-work
                + a number of hard cases:
                http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2012-October/001468.html
AI:     + setup call for designs for FOSDEM T-shirts (Astron)
                + best if not generically branded though

* Release Engineering update (Fridrich)
        + 3.5.7 - retrospective / thoughts
                + released last week after small delay
                + found show-stopper before release
        + 3.6.3 rc2 status
                + tag for 3.6.3rc2 made, almost all are up-loaded to pre-releases
                + waiting for Mac/Intel, mirror sync is started
                + 36 hours to announce / early evening/next week
        + bug-reporting assistant / wiki mismatch
                + all solved - thanks to Cloph & Rob Snelders

* Submodules / retrospective (Norbert?)
        + love it though it broke all the tinderboxes (Thorsten)

* What makes software good software (Lionel)
        + some concerns from integrators / deployers around speed
          of release
                + tried to get to the bottom of this
                + concerns around different regressions across major
                  versions
        + desire for long-term support without any cost
                + an LTS version with bug-fixes etc.
        + this service / tedious work is provided in return for cash
          which helps improve the ecosystem (Kendy)
                + some distros already do it - and back-port only
                  security issues (Lionel)
                + that wouldn't do it for these guys (Joel)
        + we're trying to improve quality generally, lots of ideas:
          'sponsored unit tests' eg. otherwise either do it yourself,
           pay for it, or persuade someone (Caolan)
                + they're trying persuasion here
        + happy to support new volunteers to do an LTS release if they want to.
        + concerned about stranding regressions that stop people upgrading
                + could create bug bounties for such regressions ? (Bjoern)
                + perhaps these scale to small sums nicely ?
                + how many are still listed UNCONFIRMED ? (Joel)
                        + very rare for 'regression' to be in whiteboard status
                + Rob Snelders had a plan around getting
                  "is it a regression" into the BSA

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
        + Building a reasonable backlog of 'proposed easy hacks'
        
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice
        + Request for developers to poke at:
                + is it an easy hack ?
                + get some code pointers into them
        + use of 'proposed easy hacks' as a pointer to do it later (Lionel)
        + could we defer filling out the task details until someone asks ? (Joel)
                + if asked could get details in a few days (Lionel)
                + big preference for mentoring / deeper discussion on
                  the mailing list not in bugzilla (Kohei)
AI:     + Do some triage as to who would be a good mentor ? (Bjoern)
AI:     + re-visit next week / or so post conference (us)

* Easy hacks (Bjoern)
        + could we promote 3-4 of our own easy-hacks on twitter each ?
        + wiki is already upgraded, but keeps the old style markup with
          an extension; worth going through and updating that syntax (Thorsten)
        + for anyone with lots of time on hands - we could improve / get
          inspired by:
                + http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/  and/or
                + http://whatcanidoformozilla.org/

* Daylight saving:
        + coming up to daylight saving time - US out of sync. for 1 week
        + Oct 28th - clocks change;
        + move the meeting to 15:00 UTC next week

* QA update (Joel / Bjoern)
        + ideas under discussion for localising the BSA
                + getting localised bugs to the local mailing list
                  so they can be de-duplicated
                + to encourage French + Brazilian users
                + why just English (Lionel)
        + confusion around hard-hacks

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
        + fdo#48569 - crash in .docx saving thanks to Caolan.
        + fdo#40594 - add to the live list of five.
AI:     + re-order / update the HardHacks page (Joel)

* Open 3.7 MAB / regressions [ there should be none ]:
        + 3 (of 14) older 2/13
        + fdo#55290 - LOdev 3.7 won't install [ on Windows ]. Error 1935 (dtardon)
                + more progress thanks to David.
        + fdo#55570 - significant autocorrect slow-down (Stephan)
        + fdo#56291 - saving spreadsheets with passwd looses content (Markus)
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
    + 33 (of 139) older 30/132 27/127 44/139 46/137 45/132 44/127 39/119 27/96
          24%            23%     21%    32%    34%    34%    35%     33%   28%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
    + 75 open (of 278) older 77/279 78/278 81/279 82/279 83/279 80/270 81/269
          27%                 28%     28%    29%    29%    30%    30%    30%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 176(+1) bugs open of 872(+9) total

    * ~Component   count net *
    + Writer       - 75 (+3)
    + Presentation - 21 (+3)
    + Crashes      - 16 (+1)
    + Database     - 14 (+0)
    + Drawing      - 13 (+0)
    + LibreOffice  - 12 (+0)
    + Borders      - 12 (+0)
    + Spreadsheet  - 12 (-5)
    + Migration    - 7  (+1)
    + Basic        - 2  (+0)
    + Writer / RTF - 2  (+0)

    + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
    + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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