minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Lionel, Norbert, Andras, David, Christian, Michael, Eike,
          Kendy, Stephan, Bjoern, Caolan, Markus, Rainer, Petr,
          Thorsten

* Completed Action Items
        + finding a better way for JRE warning disable in 3.5.1 if possible (Stephan)
        + find eager volunteer to prettify / chronologically arrange /
          thumbnail / cleanup the wiki page (Michael)
          http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2012
        + remind Michael wrt. the bug for gerrit access (Bjoern) [ fdo#46132 ]
AA:             + respond in the bug with some rational
        + need to add some blurb fdo#44498 to release note (Petr)
        + disable bundling of C++ stdlib in 3.5.1 & see how it goes (Petr)
                + subsequently re-enabled as a split / extra package
                + ideally move it to a sub-directory

* Pending Action Items
        + [no progress] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins)
        + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael)
            + needs fd.o admin help, bug for that created, Tollef on vacation
            + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45354
        + adopt the new bug state / meanings proposal without the mass changes (Rainer)

* Action Items review

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.5.1 release bits
                + RC1 tagging issues, l10n, then stdlibs
                + then old Mac/libxml2 (Stephan)
                        + libcroco etc. built vs. system libxml
                        + could we end up with two libxml's linked ?
                        + last tinderbuild does use both libs (Norbert)
                + should switch Mac externals to use the internal libxml2
                        + checking other libs: libxmlsec ok, libcroco etc.
                        + patch for libcroco is extant,
                        + RC1 with Norbert's patch ?
                + working on the issue (Stephan, Norbert, Petr)
                        + start builds tomorrow / tag around noon.
                + slip 3.5.1 by several days
                        + expect release monday
AA:             + accelerate external movement of Linux build hardware (Kendy)
        + 3.4.6
                + two weeks from now: March 5th RC1 deadline
                + potentially delayed by 1-2 days

* Drop universal build for 3.6 ? (Kendy)
        + 5% of our install-base taking big chunks of install pain
        + difference in package splits between SUSE/Fedora/Debian etc.
        + extremely broken supporting extremely old distros (Kendy)
        + Fedora - support ~2 releases behind, year+a bit
        + openSUSE - something similar, 11.3 is latest supported
        + some testing merit for older systems (Bjoern)
        + Debian Stable - can be much older than SUSE/Fedora perspective
                + 'backports' service, if users want that
                + Rene up-loading latest version there already.
        + Oracle had moved to RHEL5 as their baseline before shutdown.
        + new build hardware required for updating baseline ?
        + Proposal: for 3.6
                + continue to do generic builds
                + pull base-line up to oldest Fedora/SUSE etc.
                + continue to use internal libs

* GSOC update (Cedric)
        + we have two weeks (until March 9th) to apply as an org.
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas
        + things you want to hack on too.

* QA update (Rainer)
        + regressions - meaning of
                + if it was not working in OO.o - not a 'regression'
                + if functionality got substantially worse: it's a regression.
                + but if new feature partially implemented, not one.
                + if very annoying, add to most annoying, and fret not wrt.
                  the regression tag (Kendy)

        + status new / unconfirmed / etc. (again)
                + problem of querying assigned vs. devel in CC - hard.
                + can query for 'bug state not changed in <N> days' (Bjoern)
                + everyone needs to be able to query bugs to fix
                  is it an issue for developers ? - apparently not.

        + 3.5 installation problems on Windows
                + tried several installs on old XP machines,
                  failed with 100% CPU load
                + integration of existing user profile problems
AA:             + more research & individual bugs pulled out (?)
                + eg. fdo#46074 - missing recent documents list (Cloph)

* ESC composition
        + ESC formally voted in by the (now formally existing) Foundation board
AA:     + please send Michael nominations for new ESC members for proposal
          & vote next week (All)

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 49 (of 140) open, last weeks: 44/132, 41/124, 32/104, 28/93, 21/76, 23/71
                35%                      33%,    33%,    30%,    30%,   28%,   32%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
                + 103(+7) bugs open of 343(+13) total
        * Component    count net *
        + Writer       - 43 (+4)
        + Spreadsheet  - 10 (+3)
        + Drawing      - 10 (+0)
        + LibreOffice  - 10 (+0)
        + Presentation - 9  (+1)
        + Database     - 5  (+0)
        + Basic        - 3  (-2)

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